2 PIA F-27s going to France?

Moin · Post by **Moin** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:15 pm

I heard from a friend today that a museum in France has shown interest in 2 of PIA's oldest Fokkers which they want to put on permanent display as the oldest surviving a/c around. Anyone know anything more about this?

They'll be ending up at the right place at least!

Abbas Ali · Post by **Abbas Ali** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:38 am

Pakistan should consider preserving at least one or two Fokker F-27s in proper way. An F-27 can be put on display at PAF Museum in Karachi. Lahore airport also has vast empty grassy plots in front of the new terminal and there also an F-27 can be given place for permanent display. After all, Fokker F-27 has been part of our civil aviation history for more than four decades and few examples of the aircraft deserve proper preservation in Pakistan.

SaadSaeed · Post by **SaadSaeed** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:07 am

I agree with Abbas PK should preserve at least one or even both, one in Lahore and other in Karachi. But look at the condition of PIA planetarium i think they should preserve it indoors.

PK777 · Post by **PK777** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 8:16 am

Abbas Ali wrote:Pakistan should consider preserving at least one or two Fokker F-27s in proper way. An F-27 can be put on display at PAF Museum in Karachi. Lahore airport also has vast empty grassy plots in front of the new terminal and there also an F-27 can be given place for permanent display. After all, Fokker F-27 has been part of our civil aviation history for more than four decades and few examples of the aircraft deserve proper preservation in Pakistan.

With all the space around the Allama Iqbal Intl Airport and hopefully the new Islamabad Intl Airport, they should built aviation museums next to the airport, so they can be show aircraft that were significant to Pakistan's aviation industry.

There should be a B747, A300, B707 and Fokker F-27 and maybe some of the classical era too. This will give more knowledge to common folk about the aviation industry. There should be talks and conventions held there too e.g. to promote aviation and aircraft expertise.

Moin · Post by **Moin** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:22 pm

Theres no concept of preserving such a/c here. They just hand them over to the scrap dealer who cannibalises them. Had they had any sense, they could have retained a DC-3, Super Connie, Viscount alongwith maybe a Trident, Fokker, 720, 707 and lastly a 747, but they don't think of such things. All these above a/c could have constituted quite an amazing lineup of PIA's past. A seperate section could have been dedicated at the PAF museum for classic commericals. All they know is that if they getting a few thousand or lacs for the a/c, get rid of it.

Which brings me to the 720 standing at the PIA Planetarium here in KHI. I was there the other day and it was in the process of being painted in the new colors. It was all in grey primer and as it was around 1am in the morning, the painters were laid flat out on the wings and in the cabin. I asked one of them who was awake when it would be ready and he said in about 4 to 5 days as there was some programme that was going to be recorded and they needed to have it ready by then. I'll go there in a day or to see whether its been completed or not.

CoyBoy · Post by **CoyBoy** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:30 pm

And in some countries they have farewell parties for the aircraft type thats being phased out.

Adnan Anwar · Post by **Adnan Anwar** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:32 pm

CoyBoy wrote:And in some countries they have farewell parties for the aircraft type thats being phased out.

Like the last Delta L1011-500 TriStar.

The employees were asked to visit the hanger and sign an autograph on the jet fuselage. The Jet is now parked in Mojave, waiting its fate.

zEro.a1r · Post by **zEro.a1r** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 7:16 pm

Moin wrote:A seperate section could have been dedicated at the PAF museum for classic commericals.

No!!! PIA could have had its own museum

flyingsystem · Post by **flyingsystem** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 7:47 pm

^Whoever is the owner of the museum, the most important thing is to have such a museum!!

Amaad Lone · Post by **Amaad Lone** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:20 pm

The remaining nine F.27s (seven in service and two grounded) should be placed small airports around Pakistan.

Not Lahore, Islamabad or Karachi, but smaller regional airports where the F.27 has played a vital role in providing air transport.

Maybe a nice area just outside the airport should be developed into a park, where these fokkers with full interiors should be placed.

Reminding the people of Pakistan that this plane kept the remote parts of Pakistan connected for 47 years.

Gilgit, Chitral, Gwader, Turbat, Pasni, D.G.Khan, Multan, Sukkhur, and Moenjodaro can be the airports around Pakistan where the F.27 should be placed.

AN · Post by AN » Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:14 pm

There are only 5 F27's currently in service. Three in Karachi and 2 in Islamabad. And theyre not being retired for atleast another year.

hasan saleem · Post by **hasan saleem** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:09 am

What are the reg num of the 5 still in service ?

Abbas Ali · Post by **Abbas Ali** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:58 am

Is the leased F-27-500 (AP-BHF) still in service with PIA? I would also like to know registrations of five Fokkers currently in service with the airline.

AN · Post by AN » Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:54 pm

Karachi:

1. F27-200 AP-BDB
2. F27-200 AP-BDR
3. F27-500 AP-BHF (leased)
4. F27-500 (dont remember the registertration, but is the second -500 with BHF but is not flown by PIA at all)

Pindi:
1. F27-200 AP-BAL
2. F27-200 AP-BAO

hope this helps.

hasan saleem · Post by **hasan saleem** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:30 am

Its AP-BHE

If its not flying for PIA when who is it flying for ?

Any idea when does the lease aggrement expire for both -500 ?