Leased B772

cheetah · Post by **cheetah** » Sat May 27, 2006 5:36 pm

This rumor has been around for a while.

Bumped into TK in ISB at a little social gathering a little over a month back. As the night got darker.. and TK got happier with his glass i got an insight of his management style. One friend complained that the fares were too high, before u know it TK pulled out his phone with pomp fit for a chairman ordered the fares to be lowered.

PK777 · Post by **PK777** » Sat May 27, 2006 11:20 pm

BACK TO THE TOPIC:

So was the deal signed? Or was this just another of of these 100s of rumours ?

PK777 · Post by **PK777** » Sat May 27, 2006 11:21 pm

F.K wrote:i ve heard that the chairman is leaving in a few weeks....!!! lets see where this takes us now...!!

No offence but you said is a couple of week ago........!!!

F.K · Post by **F.K** » Sun May 28, 2006 11:39 am

no offence but i m not the one sacking him from his assignment...the words been out for a while, but this time some people are saying if hes leaving it will be within the coming weeks.

PK777 · Post by **PK777** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:05 pm

Looks like this was just another rumour ...........

sAAd · Post by **sAAd** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:20 pm

If PIA is looking for more fuel efficent aircraft, why not buy or lease the 787 or even become the launch customer of the 748i??
both are more fuel efficent than the 777, and if delivery is a problem with the 787, Boeing has promised a seperate line for the 787-10 once it is launched as EK and SQ will probably be placing massive orders and they will need their aircraft earlier.
PIAs main competitors are from the middle east for many of the routes. I see bigger ques for EK, GF, QR, and EY than PK everytym i visit KHI...and with a potential 60 aircraft A350 order by QR, n a 50 odd aircraft order by EK, i think that PK needs to consider the 787, 350, and the 748i over the 777.

Regarding the earlier debate for the purchase price, here are the list prices of some aircraft boeing has to offer :

(prices in $millions)

777-200................178.0 -- 195.0
777-200ER............190.0 -- 212.5
777-200LR............219.0 -- 243.0
777-300................210.0 -- 234.0
777-300ER............237.0 -- 264.5
747-400/ER...........216.0 -- 247.5
747-8...................272.5 -- 282.5
787-3...................138.0 -- 143.0
787-8...................148.0 -- 157.5
787-9...................178.5 -- 188.0

considering the price difference between the 777 and the 787, why not go for the 787??

info taken from http://www.boeing.com/commercial/prices/index.html[/list]

flyingsystem · Post by **flyingsystem** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:42 pm

considering the price difference between the 777 and the 787, why not go for the 787??

First thing, the versions of the 787 ( -8 and -9) that are actually proposed, are smaller than the 777-200.
Second thing, The 787-10 is not planned before 2012, and I suppose that they need aircrafts now, and not in 6 years.
And finally, I'm sure they will consider the 787 (and perhaps the A350) when it will be time for it, when they will replace the A310 fleet.

And about the 747-8, I thing its a good idea, but I think there is no plan to replace them (I speak about the 743) in the coming years, or perhaps they will replace the 747 fleet with only 777-300 (see the previous posts).

F.K · Post by **F.K** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:07 am

i just flew bgg a few days back and its just logged a total of 42000 hours which is younger then any of the 310s in service. bfy is 55000 and bfx 57000. the other 2 are bordering on 60 and bfw i think is the oldest with 65000. too young 4 a 747-300 to be retired specially in PIA.

Adnan Anwar · Post by **Adnan Anwar** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:17 pm

F.K wrote:i just flew bgg a few days back and its just logged a total of 42000 hours which is younger then any of the 310s in service. bfy is 55000 and bfx 57000. the other 2 are bordering on 60 and bfw i think is the oldest with 65000. too young 4 a 747-300 to be retired specially in PIA.

All of PIA 310 were manufactured in 1990 and after. The PIA 747-300 were made in 1987 and AP-BGG was delivered to Cathay in 1988.

A310 maybe heavily used but they are not old at all.

F.K · Post by **F.K** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 7:43 pm

i never said the 310s were old...they have logged between 45 to 50 k which is less then bgg because the latter was underutilized with cathay, remained grounded for a few years n was delievered to pia in 04 i guess. 310s are just above half used , theres no way i would shelf them in the aging aircraft category.

smarties · Post by **smarties** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 7:53 pm

No, AP-BGG was delivered to PIA in NOV '02.

Abbas Ali · Post by **Abbas Ali** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 8:24 pm

AP-BGG was built in 1988 and delivered to Cathay Pacific as VR-HON in July 1988. Later in December 1997, it was re-registered as B-HON. In year 2002, PIA purchased it from Cathay Pacific and it was delivered to PIA as AP-BGG in November 2002.

F.K · Post by **F.K** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:58 pm

so bgg was grounded for four years, underutilized with cathay as opposed to the 310s which have been flying long haul since they first came in to service explaining their high number of hours. i recently posted a message here stating the number of hours for 10 310s which were in between 45-50k. the 743s being in the 55-65k with bgg logging the lowest i.e 43k.

Abbas Ali · Post by **Abbas Ali** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:52 pm

AP-BGG (ex-B-HON of Cathay Pacific) remained in active service with Cathay Pacific from 1988 to mid-1999. From September 1999 to summer of 2000 it was stored in China. Later it was moved to USA and was stored at Victorville in Southern California, USA, from May 2000 to September 2002. In total, the aircraft remained in storage for at least 37 months.

Following two photos show it in storage in USA

Click photo to see its larger version - Photo taken on September 6, 2001 by Michael Carter

Click photo to see its larger version - Photo taken in March 2001 by Europix - AirTeamImages

Charliedelta11 · Post by **Charliedelta11** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:29 pm

the 787 ? no..flying system is right...
and i'd lvoe to see the A310's converted to frieghters...it would save PIA alot of money...rather than going and buying Frieghters and scrapping the 310's...they have the capacity..and the range..

and the 743's are history...from what i know they wont be around for more than 2 years...they may b underutilized but their fuel economy is awful...
with the funds PIA has right now..and the god awful list of lease payments...i'd say going forward and buying 748's might not be logical...even though i;m of the opinion that 12 777's will not be sufficient after the 747's have been removed...does anyone else think so too or ?

as to why EK , EY , GF have longer ques ? because they have greater frequencies which coincide wiuth the connections they offer...

If person (a) has an option of travelling to DXB direct by PIA , from glasgow for instance..but has that option available only twice a week... and has a second option as EK , which flies there everyday...what would he choose ?