PIA YYZ news

[behramjee]

1. Loads since Feb 15th have been vvv poor. Reasons being that their fares to KHI is $ 150 more expensive than Etihad, $ 20 more than Gulf Air and $ 200 more than EK (if taken via JFK).

2. Loads are in 50-60% range.

3. To ISB/LHE, their fares are $ 100 more than GF, $ 120 more than EY for an adult. For a child, their fares from YYZ to Northern Pakistan and KHI are over $ 100-130 more than EY-GF.

4. PIA have been calling its consolidators and especially its top 10 agents since the last 2 weeks pleading with them to try and make pax fly on their airline rather than EY-GF especially.

5. PIA had an excellent J class fare of CAD $ 2400 return for YYZ-PAK-YYZ in Feb but since the LRs have come here, they have increased it by $ 1500 to $ 3900!!! This is when their J class loads arent even 35% full on the YYZ-PAK-YYZ flight.

6. This year PIA doesnt have a family nor Seniors fare!!!

[B777240ER]

Why have they increased the fare?

I would have thought fares would have gone down due to the saving in fuel.
I understand not significantly but still...

[hasan saleem]

One of my friends have booked herself for YYZ-KHI-YYZ, Economy plus for Canadian $1900. YYZ-KHI 28th May

[behramjee]

One of my friends have booked herself for YYZ-KHI-YYZ, Economy plus for Canadian $1900. YYZ-KHI 28th May

why did she waste her money when you have the same sized Eco class seat + same legroom space for the same price as Economy class

tell her that EK would cost her CDN $ 1510, Gulf Air CDN $ 1480, Qatar $ 1510, AF-EK $ 1550, KLM-EK $ 1490, BA-EK $ 1550 all taxes service fees inclusive round trip!!!

unless ofcourse shes paying $ 1900 and flying PIA because of the nonstop flight convenience.

[sadiqhassan]

Why have they increased the fare?

I would have thought fares would have gone down due to the saving in fuel.
I understand not significantly but still...

Generally people will pay more for a nonstop flight. (I would) However, with the 1 x weekly frequency, it becomes difficult to justify the cost when I could fly with Emirates and have 2 choices of flights every day.

Cheers

[Jacobin777]

1. Loads since Feb 15th have been vvv poor. Reasons being that their fares to KHI is $ 150 more expensive than Etihad, $ 20 more than Gulf Air and $ 200 more than EK (if taken via JFK).

2. Loads are in 50-60% range.

3. To ISB/LHE, their fares are $ 100 more than GF, $ 120 more than EY for an adult. For a child, their fares from YYZ to Northern Pakistan and KHI are over $ 100-130 more than EY-GF.

4. PIA have been calling its consolidators and especially its top 10 agents since the last 2 weeks pleading with them to try and make pax fly on their airline rather than EY-GF especially.

5. PIA had an excellent J class fare of CAD $ 2400 return for YYZ-PAK-YYZ in Feb but since the LRs have come here, they have increased it by $ 1500 to $ 3900!!! This is when their J class loads arent even 35% full on the YYZ-PAK-YYZ flight.

6. This year PIA doesnt have a family nor Seniors fare!!!

First time poster here.....

50-60% right now isn't that bad....its the slow season, in another couple of months, it should be booming...


speaking of which........does anyone know a good PK travel agent in the Toronto Area? my cousin wants to travel YYZ-KHI in about 10 days...and specifically with PK....

[hasan saleem]

tell her that EK would cost her CDN $ 1510, Gulf Air CDN $ 1480, Qatar $ 1510, AF-EK $ 1550, KLM-EK $ 1490, BA-EK $ 1550 all taxes service fees inclusive round trip!!!

unless ofcourse shes paying $ 1900 and flying PIA because of the nonstop flight convenience.

she already had booked her flight although i totally agree with you that its a waste of money flying PIA ecnonmy plus and i belive Qatar is a good choice because of the resonable fare and good inflight. Probably shes taking PIA cause of the direct connection and extra baggage allowance on economy plus.

[Junaid]

why did she waste her money when you have the same sized Eco class seat + same legroom space for the same price as Economy class

I think forum member SENIOR mentioned in one of his posts that PIA 777LRs have 35 inches of seat pitch in economy+ as compared to 33 in economy. But seat size is same.

[kamalla]

tell her that EK would cost her CDN $ 1510, Gulf Air CDN $ 1480, Qatar $ 1510, AF-EK $ 1550, KLM-EK $ 1490, BA-EK $ 1550 all taxes service fees inclusive round trip!!!

Behramjee, are you fimiliar with the route options with GF, EK, Qatar etc.? i.e are they all connecting via LHR/LGW? and which is the shortest flight out of these options?

[behramjee]

GF has excellent connections with 2-3 hrs transit stops max at LHR for onward flights to India/Pak via BAH/MCT. With GF, you can now take BA or AC trans-atlantic which has appealed to many pax due to BAs superior service and inflight product compared to ACs. Via FRA or CDG, GF has a 4 hr connection but taxes are $ 20 less via FRA than LHR.

EK has the same as GF around 2-3 hrs max.

QR though depends on the timing of the AC flight you take from here.

[SalamPaks]

why did she waste her money when you have the same sized Eco class seat + same legroom space for the same price as Economy class .

Incidentally, UA's Economy Plus product also provides 35" (give or take a couple of inches depending on the aircraft). All Mileage Plus Premier members are automatically assigned E+ seats while other passengers are offered upcharged access for $300 per year or $25 to $50 on domestic flights, and $75 - $150 on international flights.
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In my mind, if the upcharge from N.America to Pakistan was about $100, I'd take the 35" seat - at least you can actually open a laptop or bend over to eat your food or unlace your shoes even if the person in front is reasonably reclined. Oh, and you get a couple of extra samosa's too! How great is that?

[behramjee]

to be very fair, I havent read anywhere official from PIA that its ECO+ seats on the B 772LRs are 35 inches in seat pitch...all I know is that J is 60 and Y is 32.

If someone has official/concrete information on this, I would be really interested in reading about it.

Thanks

[Junaid]

to be very fair, I havent read anywhere official from PIA that its ECO+ seats on the B 772LRs are 35 inches in seat pitch...all I know is that J is 60 and Y is 32.

If someone has official/concrete information on this, I would be really interested in reading about it.

May be forum member SENIOR can tell us the source of this information as he mentioned it in one of his posts. I know he works for PIA at Manchester. I will be flying JFK-ISB-JFK on 777LR next month. I have booked my return leg in Economy+ and paid $100 for the one way upgrade. I did it to see whether the Economy+ is worth spending the extra money or not. I know that 777ERs have the same leg room in economy and economy+. JFK-ISB-JFK economy class ticket in April costs US $1035(including all taxes).

[Jacobin777]

One of my friends have booked herself for YYZ-KHI-YYZ, Economy plus for Canadian $1900. YYZ-KHI 28th May

Hasan....do you know where she booked the ticket from?

I need to book a flight for my family to KHI next week with PK.......

Any help would be nice..

[sadiqhassan]

One of my friends have booked herself for YYZ-KHI-YYZ, Economy plus for Canadian $1900. YYZ-KHI 28th May

why did she waste her money when you have the same sized Eco class seat + same legroom space for the same price as Economy class

tell her that EK would cost her CDN $ 1510, Gulf Air CDN $ 1480, Qatar $ 1510, AF-EK $ 1550, KLM-EK $ 1490, BA-EK $ 1550 all taxes service fees inclusive round trip!!!

unless ofcourse shes paying $ 1900 and flying PIA because of the nonstop flight convenience.

Would you mind telling me where you got these fares from? I'm getting some discrepancy with my TA

thanks