PIA and the 787-800's

smarties · Post by **smarties** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:52 pm

The 787-800 would be perfectly suited for PIA's N.American network. If PIA can sort out there NON-STOP flights to New York, the B787-800 would enable to fill their planes all year round. With the B787-800 being economically friendly, and with less seating capacity it would be a good investment for PIA. Also adding a fifth 777-200ER might be of use too.

The B788's could serve New York daily to/from Pakistan. Also if PIA can make an agreeemnt with AA or UA to provide onward connections to American cities, this route (PAK-USA-PAK) could prove very successful.

I would say four B787-800's would be enough for PIA's New York and Toronto flights. PIA could fly to YYZ four times a week with this aircraft. Canada allow 1000 seats a week, so as the 787-800 hold about 210 seats, four flights would be perfect.

As the 787-800 can fly non-stop to.from N.America, there will be no need for the 777-200LR's. Both these planes can be sold along with the 747's and A310's to help finance these 787-800.

Seeing that most likey that the only European destinations to remain online will be MAN, LHR, BHX, GLA. Maybe they should connect GLA with CPH? And far eastern destination BKK and NRT.

This would lead PIA's long haul (high density Saudi routes) fleets to consist of :

3 777-300ER (UK,JED)
4/5 777-200ER (JED, RUH, BKK, NRT, UK)
4 787-800 (JFK, YYZ)

GLA777 · Post by **GLA777** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:35 pm

I would be happy with a 5 to 7x weekly PK service from GLA on a 787

The 787 is already opening up new routes from GLA, already prommised is Brazil and South Africa direct

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AirBlue · Post by **AirBlue** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:01 pm

Can PIA not fly PAK-CAN-US? for example

Pak - YYZ and then to JFK because the US demands no direct flights ?

kamalla · Post by **kamalla** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:03 pm

AirBlue wrote:Can PIA not fly PAK-CAN-US? for example

Pak - YYZ and then to JFK because the US demands no direct flights ?

I believe capacity might be the issue here, since PIA flights are normally full on Pak-YYZ sector..... unless they decide to increase the frequency....

Airborne · Post by **Airborne** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:05 pm

I am sorry dude, but if I were to travel on a small body jet from LHE to JFK for 14 hrs, I would not go at all. Seriously, I would rather go on a wide body a/c in emirates or even Eitehad for that matter.....trust me yar, passengers don't want to fly for long on cramped airplanes....737-800 if considered, should be used on small regional routes...

AirBlue · Post by **AirBlue** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 11:33 pm

Airborne wrote:I am sorry dude, but if I were to travel on a small body jet from LHE to JFK for 14 hrs, I would not go at all. Seriously, I would rather go on a wide body a/c in emirates or even Eitehad for that matter.....trust me yar, passengers don't want to fly for long on cramped airplanes....737-800 if considered, should be used on small regional routes...

its the 787 we are talking about here ... its a wide body , size of a 767 or bigger

if PIA can get 7 flights a week passing through YYZ and still sell 1500 seats / week as they do, and have the rest of the passengers for JFK, it would be a great option. This way they dont need to make a stupid extra stop in EU

Jacobin777 · Post by **Jacobin777** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 2:16 am

I agree with Smarties on basically every single point (in fact, I've been mentioning the same things).....except selling the -200LR's...

With the higher MTOW of the -200LR's, PK could add some good cargo revenue to certain routes such as MAN, etc.

The -200LR's have phenomenal capabilities and it already fits in with the fleet, pilot, m/x, etc. structure.

Other than that, I'm all "a-ok" with the ideas...

Abbas Ali · Post by **Abbas Ali** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:54 am

For the info of members here's link to official Boeing website page about Boeing 787 Dreamliner aircraft family.

Link: Boeing 787 Dreamliner

Btw, I don't think PIA can sell any of its Boeing 777s because it's not technical owner of the aircraft at this moment. The airline will become technical owner of the aircraft after completing payment installments. Payment installments for eight Boeing 777 acquired from Boeing Company through financing provided by Ex-Im bank are expected to be completed in 12 years time (I believe in December 2015).

Airborne · Post by **Airborne** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:29 am

Oh sorry for reading it wrongly; my mistake, cheers !!!

smarties · Post by **smarties** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:06 am

Jacobin777 wrote:I agree with Smarties on basically every single point (in fact, I've been mentioning the same things).....except selling the -200LR's...

With the higher MTOW of the -200LR's, PK could add some good cargo revenue to certain routes such as MAN, etc.

The -200LR's have phenomenal capabilities and it already fits in with the fleet, pilot, m/x, etc. structure.

Absolutely. The 777-200LR is a great plane, and does allow PIA to carry extra cargo. However, i feel PIA would greatly benefit if they also got A310F's for their cargo operations; there is so much international export ex-Pakistan (and growing) that they really need to invest in dedicated cargo aircrafts. Hence i feel that the 777-200LR won't be justifiable to have in the fleet if they have the B787-800, as this aircraft can serve non-stop the YYZ and JFK, and the A310F's can do the cargo runs. PIA should buy at least 2 A310F's.

If PIA have the B787-800's and A310F's, i don't see what good the 777-200LR's would have in the fleet.

Non-stop flights to America would also cut down operational costs, and the B787 would be perfectly suited for daily flights to New York.

Btw, I don't think PIA can sell any of its Boeing 777s because it's not technical owner of the aircraft at this moment. The airline will become technical owner of the aircraft after completing payment installments. Payment installments for eight Boeing 777 acquired from Boeing Company through financing provided by Ex-Im bank are expected to be completed in 12 years time (I believe in December 2015).

I'm sure the LR's could be sold off and the money returned it might be ok. I'm sure there is someway around to get rid of them if PIA decide to invest in the 787. If nothing else, PIA could lease them out for 10 years to another airline.

What was the deal with the DC-10's? I know they got sold off a few years after being purchased, or were they paid off before being sold to CP; or were they swapped for the 747's?

Abbas Ali · Post by **Abbas Ali** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:16 am

smarties wrote:What was the deal with the DC-10's? I know they got sold off a few years after being purchased, or were they paid off before being sold to CP; or were they swapped for the 747's?

It was aircraft swap deal between PIA and CP Air involving exchange of aircraft, spare engines and spare parts. The four DC-10-30s were owned by PIA when they were swapped for four Boeing 747-217Bs in controversial deal with CP Air in 1985.