EU set to ban most PIA Planes

[Aftab PK786]

Asalamalkium,

I was just surfing the net and came across this which is really bad:

Source says EU set to ban Pakistan Airlines

Friday February 23, 03:35 PM

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The European Union is set to ban most of Pakistan International Airlines' fleet from flying to the 27-nation bloc because of safety concerns, an EU source said on Friday.

The source said a committee of experts had decided to block all but seven planes of the airline's 40-plane fleet from flying to Europe for failing to meet international safety standards.

"Only those seven will be allowed to make flights to European Union countries," the source said. "The rest of the fleet will be blacklisted."

The decision is likely to come into force in about 10 days, the source said.

[Abbas Ali]

"Only those seven will be allowed to make flights to European Union countries," the source said. "The rest of the fleet will be blacklisted."

Looks like only B777s will be allowed.

Btw, would airlines like Shaheen and Aero Asia be able to operate flights to UK under such tough EU safety standards?

[BOEING777]

Here is the link:

http://yahoo.reuters.com/news/articlehy ... ews&rpc=44

Yes those other airlines would be OK to fly.

Each airline is judged on its individual merits.

Clearly PK hasnt done enough to satisfy the EU since the 747 fleet was grounded late last year.

On the positive side, it will force PK to get new airplanes and not used second hand ones.

[Abbas Ali]

Here's more info from Yahoo! Asia News

EU to ban most Pakistan Airlines planes - source

BRUSSELS, Feb 23 (Reuters) - The European Union is set to ban most of Pakistan International Airlines' (PIA) fleet from flying to the 27-country bloc because of safety concerns, an EU source said on Friday.

The source said a committee of experts had decided to block all but seven planes of the airline's roughly 40-plane fleet from flying to Europe for failing to meet international safety standards.

"Only those seven will be allowed to make flights to European Union countries," the source said. "The rest of the fleet will be blacklisted."

State-run PIA declined to coment.

"We cannot comment on this until we receive an official communication from the EU," a PIA spokesman said in Karachi.

The decision is likely to come into force in about 10 days, the EU source said, once it is made official by the executive European Commission.

The source said the decision could cause disruptions to passengers because the airline had flight connections to Britain, France, Germany, Greece, Italy and the Netherlands.

A Pakistani diplomat in Brussels said the airline was working to address the EU's concerns, which focused on maintenance problems and old aircraft.

"It is for the airline to take steps to alleviate the situation and they are already doing that," the diplomat said.

"I think there is a great effort by PIA and also by the European officials that passengers should not suffer too much from this," he said.

Source: Yahoo! Asia News

[samee380]

Not good news for PIA but they Deserve it!!! Rubbish management has led to an overage fleet and i think Tariq Kirmani is the same

I think PIA need to start making a plan of replacing these A310's with more fuel effeicint aircrafts quickly !

Now i hope PIA will start to face they problems now!!

Only B777's will be able to operate into EU. and i tink AP-BGG should also!

[ghg69]

Thats very bad news, a huge setback for PIA. but does that mean they are banning A310`s also.

and also wat about the refurbrished 747`s which were allowed to resume flights to EU, why are they also being banned now?. PIA need to get rid of these old aircraft and induct new aircraft asap!

[samee380]

Thats very bad news, a huge setback for PIA. but does that mean they are banning A310`s also.

and also wat about the refurbrished 747`s which were allowed to resume flights to EU, why are they also being banned now?

yeh and also AP-BAT should also be able to fly into EU i think

[FMC]

PIA management, shameless as they come will be using the EU tool for scrapping the B743s and leasing/renting more and more planes.
''Mere saaghhar mein mai hai, tere hathhon mein barbat hai
watan ki sarzameen mein bhook sey kohraam hai saqi''.

[Kashif]

And what is wrong in leasing new fuel effiicient aircrafts? PIA´s manic obsession of owning all aircrafts have led to the old age of aircrafts in the first place.

[BOEING777]

And what is wrong in leasing new fuel effiicient aircrafts? PIA´s manic obsession of owning all aircrafts have led to the old age of aircrafts in the first place.

Leasing is a good short term option. In the long run, its cheaper to own your own airplanes rather than pay and rely on someone else for capacity

[samee380]

And what is wrong in leasing new fuel effiicient aircrafts? PIA´s manic obsession of owning all aircrafts have led to the old age of aircrafts in the first place.

Leasing is a good short term option. In the long run, its cheaper to own your own airplanes rather than pay and rely on someone else for capacity

yes i agree. Leasing isnt a good option for the long run.

[Aer Pakistan]

guys just like to drop few lines

govt need to change chairman tk asap. plus engineering boss . i think head of the state should change thses people as they are main reason by keeping this in mind it was pia two year back flying these old plans in very wel maintain condition.

these dada and mama group cannot handle pia .

[Kashif]

My point is very simple. As long as PIA owns aircraft the inadequate management sits on their ass doing nothing. By leasing aircrafts, no matter how incompetent the management or the engineering department is, the maintenance will be done by the leasing company.

Of course If you buy aircrafts like Singapore Airlines and have an excellent management & engineering department & they change their aircraft pretty frequent it is of course the best option (but demands heavy capital).

But for a poor airline as PIA it is much cheaper to lease aircraft than owning its own aircrafts that get banned in the EU, resulting in a much much more loss of money. I do not dare think how much money PIA lost during the ban of the jumbos to Europe.

Look at Airblue. They only have leased aircrafts but they still work well

[Adnan Anwar]

My point is very simple. As long as PIA owns aircraft the inadequate management sits on their ass doing nothing. By leasing aircrafts, no matter how incompetent the management or the engineering department is, the maintenance will be done by the leasing company.

Of course If you buy aircrafts like Singapore Airlines and have an excellent management & engineering department & they change their aircraft pretty frequent it is of course the best option (but demands heavy capital).

But for a poor airline as PIA it is much cheaper to lease aircraft than owning its own aircrafts that get banned in the EU, resulting in a much much more loss of money. I do not dare think how much money PIA lost during the ban of the jumbos to Europe.

Look at Airblue. They only have leased aircrafts but they still work well

Looking at reuter reports and looking at posts on other places like airliners.net and fleetbuz.com, this decision to ban PIA souinds more political than safety related call.

There is something very fishy about this deal.

[FULLTHRUST]

There is something very fishy about this deal.

That *FISH* is no longer in PIA, (AVM Niaz)