ATR 42 registration

samee380 · Post by **samee380** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:02 pm

just want to know if the PIA ATR 42-500 has its registration written on the upper wing surface??

ghg69 · Post by **ghg69** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:31 pm

I am pretty sure that PIA ATR does not have its registration written on the upper wing surface, though it is definitely visible underneath the wing.

inducedrag · Post by **inducedrag** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:19 pm

It must be written on top of wing as required by law

Moin · Post by **Moin** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:32 pm

Which law? Of Pakistan? Because not all airlines put the reg # on top of the wing excapt for some like JAL, ANA, KE, Air China, PIA, AI, Viasa, Asiana etc, mostly the eastern airlines, not so much the western.

samee380 · Post by **samee380** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:33 pm

Moin wrote:Which law? Of Pakistan? Because not all airlines put the reg # on top of the wing excapt for some like JAL, ANA, KE, Air China, PIA, AI, Viasa, Asiana etc, mostly the eastern airlines, not so much the western.

but isnt the PIA A310's have no registration on upper-wing surface only on lower surface of wing ??

inducedrag · Post by **inducedrag** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:34 pm

Aviation Law

Abbas Ali · Post by **Abbas Ali** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:02 pm

Following information is from Pakistan Civil Aviation Rules 1994

Section 2 - MARKING OF AIRCRAFT

13. Nationality and registration marks

(1) The nationality mark of an aircraft registered in Pakistan shall be the letters "AP".

(2) The registration mark of an aircraft registered in Pakistan shall be the group of three letters assigned to the aircraft and included in its certificate of registration.

(3) The nationality and registration marks allocated to an aircraft shall be painted on its structure or affixed by any other means giving a similar degree of permanence and shall be clean and visible at all times.

(4) An aircraft registered in Pakistan shall carry an identification plate inscribed with its nationality and registration marks. The plate shall be made of fireproof material and shall be secured to the aircraft in a prominent position near the main entrance.

Position and size of marks.-

(1) The nationality and registration marks on aircraft registered in Pakistan shall comply with this rule.

(5) On an aircraft which is heavier-than-air the marks shall be located on the left half of the lower surface of the wing structure, or extending across the whole of the lower surface of the wing structure. The marks shall be equidistant from the leading and trailing edges of the wings or as close to this position as possible, with the tops of the letters towards the leading edge of the wing. Marks shall be located on each side of the fuselage, or equivalent structure, between the wings and the tail surface, or shall have the marks on each side of the upper half of the vertical tail surface and if the vertical tail unit has multiple surfaces, the marks shall be positioned on the outboard sides of the outer surfaces. The marks on the wings shall be at least fifty cms in height, and on the fuselage or equivalent structure, or on the vertical tail surfaces, they shall be at least thirty cms in height.

(6) The type of letters for nationality and registration marks and their dimensions shall be as follows:

(a) the letters shall be capital letters in Roman characters without ornamentation;

(b) the letters in each separate group of marks shall be of equal height;

(c) except for the letter "I", the width of each letter and the length of a hyphen shall be two-thirds of the height of a letter;

(d) the letters and hyphens shall be formed by solid lines, the thickness of which shall be one-sixth of the height of a letter and shall be of a colour contrasting clearly with the background;

(e) each letter shall be separated from that which it immediately precedes or follows by a space of not less than one quarter of the width of a letter and for this purpose a hyphen shall be regarded as a letter.

(7) If an aircraft does not possess structures corresponding with those mentioned in the applicable part of this rule the nationality and registration marks shall appear on the aircraft in such position and of such size as the Director-General shall determine.

15. Aircraft not to carry emblems or signs.-

An aircraft registered in Pakistan shall not have on its exterior surface any emblem, sign or lettering which would interfere with the easy recognition of its nationality and registration marks, and shall not display any advertisement on its exterior surface without the permission in writing of the Director-General.

For more info see Pakistan Civil Aviation RulesÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢94 in PDF format

Btw, PIA Fokker F-27s sported registration on upper surface of starboard wing as seen in following photo.

PIA Fokker F-27 Friendship Mk 200 - AP-AUR - Copyright Andy Nicodemo

inducedrag · Post by **inducedrag** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:09 pm

Abbas good job

Abbas Ali · Post by **Abbas Ali** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:12 pm

You're welcome inducedrag.

Abbas

samee380 · Post by **samee380** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:50 pm

yeh thats good thanks abbas

Abbas Ali · Post by **Abbas Ali** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:24 pm

Samee, hereÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s answer to your question:

Registration AP-BHJ painted on upper surface of ATR 42-500 starboard wing ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â‚¬Å“ Photo Copyright Iqbal Malik

More photos of AP-BHJ by Iqbal are in topic: PIA Tails at Islamabad Airport ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â‚¬Å“ Photos by Iqbal Malik

samee380 · Post by **samee380** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:01 pm

thanks abbas appreciate it

looks to me very vague on upper wing surface is it just "HJ" or "AP-BHJ"

AN · Post by AN » Mon Jan 15, 2007 12:14 am

Its AP-BHJ