772LR (AP-BGY) Landing ''Disappointing''

[KSKJADOON]

I was EXTREMELY disappointed to see AP-BGY carry out a very hard landing on runway 27L at Heathrow today(28Dec). The aircraft just dropped like a stone on the runway and shook visiouly.

I am big fan of PIA and a regular visitor at LHR and I find that more often than not a PIA aircarft seems to be landing or taking off in an unusual way. These are brand new aircrafts and must be flown with due care and responsibility.

I am making these comments having seen a fair amount of aircraft movement at LHR over the past 15 years.

[AirBlue]

were you flying in it ? what was the weather ? who was flying ?

[KSKJADOON]

It appeared that the ground speed prior to touch-down was lower than normal and the last 5/10 metres of descent was very sharp.
And as normally the plane would glide to make a smooth touch down but in this case it just hit the runway without that final glide to level off before touching the ground. There was alot of smoke but more importantly the whole plane shook, my heart was in my mouth.
I hope this explains what I mean.

[CPH-PAKiz]

... Not sounds good. in CPH. PIA always make great landings..
can you explain a bit more in details what excatly happened, do you had camera with you..??

[mohammed younis]

I personally feel PIA has some of the best pilots,
wonder why that could of happened?

[PK.786]

I was EXTREMELY disappointed to see AP-BGY carry out a very hard landing on runway 27L at Heathrow today(28Dec). The aircraft just dropped like a stone on the runway and shook visiouly.

I am big fan of PIA and a regular visitor at LHR and I find that more often than not a PIA aircarft seems to be landing or taking off in an unusual way. These are brand new aircrafts and must be flown with due care and responsibility.

I am making these comments having seen a fair amount of aircraft movement at LHR over the past 15 years.

yep i agree i saw it too the wings shook like anything

[AirBlue]

I personally feel PIA has some of the best pilots,
wonder why that could of happened?

They were on some other flight

[ConnieMan]

I personally feel PIA has some of the best pilots,
wonder why that could of happened?

They were on some other flight

This is not funny atall brother, please be serious with your posts with these types of serious topics, i can see what KSKJADOON has stated here, i have seen some unapproprite landings also but in this case it seems as pilot were at fault on bringing in aircraft too fast and not following with full landing procerdures, i don't know what was going on in the cockpit but it shoulden't happen again as it could have also resulted in cracking main spar and loss to airline by loosing B/N aircraft too!...Shuker Allah that it diden't happened.

[Moin]

Hey take it easy, he was only cracking a light hearted joke

Would this 'perfect' landing appease you guys then???

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircraft_ ... -4733.html

Sometimes there can be hard landings, its not like the pilots do it on purpose and besides, these a/c are designed to sustain the occasional hard landing.

You wanna see a hard landing, check this Asiana 744 at LAX:



And if you were to see some of the tests the manufacturers carry out on these a/c, you probably wouldn't want to fly in them.

[PALPA]

Hey! all of you i was there with the crew (jumpseat) this was a normal landing but the fact of the matter is that when you exceed a certain limit the B777 is on auto throttle and the computer adjusts the speed on its own with minimum landing speed 135 knots while the crew was landing at about 143 knots with the normal flare position.The vertical speed was also normal.

I very well know the crew with respect to their training and the first officer is exceptionally good and the captain has lot of flying experience & one thing more let me also tell you that aerodynamically the wings of LR are quite flexible & light therefore it seems that they are shaking.

[ConnieMan]

Ok end of this topic, Thanks for coming out and shareing it with us, yes B777LR's and most of new planes have new aluminum used on them, so that is why there wings can flex that way, its obious that from out side things may look different too.

Moin i have seen many structural intergrity destriction test videos and also for B777 too, with wing flexing 24' before structure fails, i still love flying and working in this beautiful industry.

[bigmountain]

a normal landing on touch down has a rate of less than 300'/min where as a hard landing is defined as that occuring when the aircraft touches down at a rate of descent greater than 9'/sec or 600'/min.

The reasons for hard landing could be poor judgement in the flare . However it usually is due to a comibnation of events . i.e strong and gusty winds combined by crosswinds requiring a "positive" landing to ensure that the aircraft touches down in the touchdown zone and has sufficient distance to stop. Other reasons for "hard landings could be due windshear due to thunderstorm activity or mechanical windshear due to wind blowing across terrain or buildings such as hangars that create instability in the air flow.

And lastly any landing that you survive and can talkabout after the event is a "good" one.
BM

[zerbaer]

.... It has been said: any landing one walks away from is a good one,

[ConnieMan]

All landings are also called "Controlled crash landings too"

[Adnaan786]

You wanna see a hard landing, check this Asiana 744 at LAX:

Moin, that is a perfectly fine landing as far as I can tell. He's probably a tiny bit fast hence the little skip on landing.

edit: On second thoughts - it was a little on the hard side.