Change of aircraft to UK from next week

smarties · Post by **smarties** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 6:17 pm

from next week PK787/788 will be on the A310 on WED and FRI. SUN will be a 743.

Some flights of 785/786/701/702 will be on 777.
LHE flight will remain on 743's.

So will keep on seeing the some 747's in the UK for the time being.

Abbas Ali · Post by **Abbas Ali** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:47 am

Four PIA Boeing 747s barred from service to EU countries

ISLAMABAD (October 30 2006): Four Boeing 747 planes of Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) will be grounded on October 30 on the demand of civil aviation authorities of Britain and European Union, official sources said on Sunday. The last flight of PIA Boeing 747 plane would take off for Britain on Sunday, they added.

The visit to Britain by Interior Minister Aftab Ahmed Khan Sherpao and other parliamentarians coincides with this last flight of Boeing 747. Sources told NNI that the civil aviation authorities of Britain and European Union had asked PIA last year that as these planes had completed their terms, they could not be used any more.

PIA was told that flights of Boeing 747 would not be allowed to land on the airports in Britain and Europe. So, PIA officials decided that these planes would not be used for Europe and, instead, Boeing 777 would be used.

Source: Business Recorder

Related Topic: EU to keep a "watchful eye" on PIA

hasan saleem · Post by **hasan saleem** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:15 am

WHat registration do these Aircraft carry

I presume both the BAK & BAT.

Will they be allowed to fly in the future or they have been barred in EU for good?

Regards

cheetah · Post by **cheetah** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:16 am

The 747 fleet now appears to be doomed. Unforseen circumstances have made it a habit of making decisons for the PIA management. Without UK, the aircraft looses its keep. Expect a big decision in the coming weeks.

PK.786 · Post by **PK.786** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:59 am

the other planes are bfu and bfw. they are in a very very very bad state. im going pakistan on 04 december but it say it will be a 747 will that be changed. what dates do 777-300 come into the fleet.

Amaad Lone · Post by **Amaad Lone** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:32 am

Here is an idea.

Move the 747s to North America until the three 777s arrive by February 2007, and place the 777s to UK.

The flights plan to North America should be altered.

The aircraft should start making a technical stopover in Istanbul, and then fly non-stop from there to the US and Canada.

Karachi-Lahore-Istanbul-New York. The Istanbul-New York journey should be around 10 hours, and should easily covered by the exsisting fleet of 747-300s.

Operate the North American flights via Istanbul until the situation gets better and either these planes are maintained to get EU approval or replaced by the three 777s due in the next couple of months.

smarties · Post by **smarties** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:58 am

didn't PIA previously fly IST-JFK (nonstop) in the 80's or early 90's?

Amaad Lone · Post by **Amaad Lone** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:36 am

PIA used Istanbul as a stop to New York flights in the 1980s.

The route was:

Islamabad-Istanbul-Frankfurt-New York DC-10
Karachi-Istanbul-Frankfurt-New York DC-10

While the Paris flights were operated by 747s.

Karachi-Cairo-Paris-New York 2 weekly 747s.

Flew on these flights number of times comming home from college in the 1980s.

nutsforplanes · Post by **nutsforplanes** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:17 am

Amaad Lone:

The aircraft should start making a technical stopover in Istanbul, and then fly non-stop from there to the US and Canada.

Turkey is trying desperately to get into EU. I dont think they will do anything that will go against any EU legislation.

The news item suggests the 4 747's will be permanently grounded. That leaves PIA with 4 747's and those wont be allowed to operate in Britain and Europe. So the remaining 4 747's can used elsewhere. Am I reading this correctly.

What about the A310's? Some of them are also under watch arent they.

Quote from the article

According to sources, PIA owns only three Boeing-777 planes, which were bought for flights to USA and Canada, and two more 777 planes would be delivered to the national airline by January 2007

That is incorrect. PIA has 5 777's. With a couple of 77W's coming soon

I think the author of this article is inept. He dosent have all the information.

smarties · Post by **smarties** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:28 pm

Are PIA getting 2 or 3 77W's? I thought they ordered 3?

Abbas Ali · Post by **Abbas Ali** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:30 pm

^ third B777-300ER will be delivered to PIA in March 2008.

cheetah · Post by **cheetah** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:06 pm

PK has concluded a deal to wetlease a 777 from MAS.

smarties · Post by **smarties** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:24 pm

cheetah wrote:PK has concluded a deal to wetlease a 777 from MAS.

when are is it going to be delivered? Is it a 772ER?

AP-BGL · Post by **AP-BGL** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:06 pm

smarties wrote:
cheetah wrote:PK has concluded a deal to wetlease a 777 from MAS.
when are is it going to be delivered? Is it a 772ER?

As up to my awareness MAS does not have any 773 so it will be a 772 for sure. I wonder which colors would it support...

PK.786 · Post by **PK.786** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:41 pm

i phoned pia call centre today about this topic they said 60% of uk flights will not operate till the ban is lifted
i was checking for my flight on 4 dec if the plane has bee changed