Three new Boeing 777s to join PIA fleet in coming months

Abbas Ali · Post by **Abbas Ali** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:29 pm

Following three brand new Boeing 777s will become part of PIA fleet in coming months:

1) Boeing 777-340ER, c/n 33778, l/n 601, due for delivery in December 2006.

2) Boeing 777-240ER, c/n 35296, l/n 613, due for delivery in January 2007. (leased from ILFC - Press Release).

3) Boeing 777-340ER, c/n 33779, l/n 611, due for delivery in February 2007.

Adnan Anwar · Post by **Adnan Anwar** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:35 pm

Nice, Abbas.

I just hope PIA puts these 300ER's via MAN to use on JFK route if the USA will not allow direct flights on 200LR.

Right now we are wasting the 200 LR's by flying them via MAN. PIA should look into operating the 200LR non stop to SYDNEY atleast once a week.

Abbas, Any insider news about PIA looking at SYD for future desitnation.

Amaad Lone · Post by **Amaad Lone** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:05 pm

Any idea which 747s will be the first to go???

Will the combis be withdrawn before the 747-300s, considering PIA does need their cargo capcity in the winter months, being a rush time for most exporters.

I would imagine the first 777-340ER flight to go to London.

There is great competition to London from the better equipped Qatar, Emirates and Eithad.

It should help PIA alot if the 10 weekly 747-300 flights are converted to the 777-340ER flights by February 2007.

Imran Hassan · Post by **Imran Hassan** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:17 pm

Adnan Anwar wrote:Nice, Abbas.

I just PIA puts these planes 300ER via MAN to use on JFK route if the USA will not allow direct flights on 200LR.

Right we are wasting the 200 LR's by flying them via MAN. PIA should look into operating the 200LR non stop top SYDNEY atleast once a week.

Any insider news about PIA looking at SYD for future desitnation.

Sydney can easily be done with the 777-200ER's.

Adnan Anwar · Post by **Adnan Anwar** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:41 pm

You are right, after checking the range charts, the Boeing 200ER can do the KHI-SYD.

In that case 200LR would be waste of money for PIA if after sometime US does not allow it to fly non-stop for security objections.

smarties · Post by **smarties** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:23 pm

Adnan Anwar wrote:You are right, after checking the range charts, the Boeing 200ER can do the KHI-SYD.

In that case 200LR would be waste of money for PIA if after sometime US does not allow it to fly non-stop for security objections.

The 777-200ER could not do KHI-SYD on a full payload.

Amaad Lone · Post by **Amaad Lone** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:55 pm

Interesting points should PIA ever consider serving Sydney non-stop.

Jacobin777 · Post by **Jacobin777** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:37 pm

smarties wrote:
Adnan Anwar wrote:You are right, after checking the range charts, the Boeing 200ER can do the KHI-SYD.

In that case 200LR would be waste of money for PIA if after sometime US does not allow it to fly non-stop for security objections.
The 777-200ER could not do KHI-SYD on a full payload.

the 777-200ER could do about 5800NM with full payload...with KHI-SYD being 5900NM it comes very close...

Also, on trips over 5000NM, the -200LR has a much better performance edge than the -200ER......hence if PK want to start SYD, the -200LR would be a better plane than the -200ER..

that being said, I would like to see PK sort the nonstop-US flight problem and use the -200LR for nonstop services..

I also think Pakistan-MAN-LAX would be a very good route...

smarties · Post by **smarties** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm

I also think Pakistan-MAN-LAX would be a very good route...

I would think PAK-GLA-LAX would be also be good twice a week or maybe KHI-ICN-LAX.

Also even KHI-BEY-LAX should be looked at, as there is a huge Lebanese population in LAX. This route, there would be no transit visa issues either for pakistanis.

the 777-200ER could do about 5800NM with full payload...with KHI-SYD being 5900NM it comes very close...

It could do it on a 777-200ER which has about 240 seats and have MTOW. But PIA's 777-200ER has 329 seats and does not have MTOW on their planes unlike CO, AA which are able to make flights with a maximum distance of about 5900Nm.

Charliedelta11 · Post by **Charliedelta11** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:40 pm

Why would anyone fly from KHI to LAX via MAN ? when u can cover the same journey in a shorter period of time by going th other way round , with a stopover in HKG .... if PIA presses forward it can get rights for its US flights via HKG and compete against Cathay Pacific...with maybe 2-3 flights a week to asses the demand , and then an option to increase flights to about 4-5 a week...the number of 777s being inducted which will be the mainstay aircraft for north american and western european operations should easily permit PIA to maintain high frequencies, shorten the time, or better yet , if they cannot get rights at HKG, use the LR , which uptil now has been a waste of money....on direct flights from PAK-LAX, or SFO , why allow other asian airlines to maintain theiur monopoly here ?

i hope they start flights down under...they can change flight timings in such a way that flights coming in from Europe, or the middle east , and flights leaving pak for aus allow passengers a quick and easy connection with the least transit time, and a direct flight to aus with the LR would do wonders..there isnt much of a paki population in australia but PIA can tap into the foreign network and resist EK, and other airlines operating here.

smarties · Post by **smarties** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:21 pm

Why would anyone fly from khi to LAX via man ? when u can cover the same journey in a shorter period of time by going th other way round , with a stopover in HKG ..

Actually, it is shorter going via the Atlantic as KHI-MAN-LAX is 8100Nm. The route you have mentioned is longer. KHI-HKG-LAX (pacific) 8900Nm.

there isnt much of a paki population in australia

There is quite a sizable Pakistan population in Australia and more and more people are going there. as it is becoming a popular alternative to Europe and USA for Pakistanis.

Jacobin777 · Post by **Jacobin777** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:04 am

smarties wrote:
I also think Pakistan-MAN-LAX would be a very good route...
I would think PAK-GLA-LAX would be also be good twice a week or maybe KHI-ICN-LAX.

Also even KHI-BEY-LAX should be looked at, as there is a huge Lebanese population in LAX. This route, there would be no transit visa issues either for pakistanis.

the 777-200ER could do about 5800NM with full payload...with KHI-SYD being 5900NM it comes very close...
It could do it on a 777-200ER which has about 240 seats and have MTOW. But PIA's 777-200ER has 329 seats and does not have MTOW on their planes unlike CO, AA which are able to make flights with a maximum distance of about 5900Nm.

CO configures 282 pax on its -200ER and AA has around the same...the 3 class configuration for Boeing is 305....thus the -200ER wouldn't be able to do the full KHI-SYD trip without some weight pentalties....but not as much as one would think...

regardless, the -200LR should be able to easily do that trip..

regarding the -300ER to LAX....KHI-HKG-LAX is still longer than say KHI-MAN/GLA-LAX...

HKG-LAX has a lot of competition and I don't know how well PK would do against CX with 3X/daily and UA 1x/daily......

that being said, BA tried LAX-MAN and it didn't do well..except I do not think it was catering to the Pakistani crowd...

smarties · Post by **smarties** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:28 am

Jacobin777 wrote:CO configures 282 pax on its -200ER and AA has around the same...the 3 class configuration for Boeing is 305.

Actually your wrong. AA's 777-200ER have 237 seats (18/56/163) hence the reason for them being able to make such a long haul flight to DEL from ORD. As for CO, i'm sure they have slight payload restrictions on their long flights to the far east. When the flight is full it probably restricts on the the amount of cargo carried.

Abbas Ali · Post by **Abbas Ali** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:50 pm

There are two different seating configurations on American Airlines Boeing 777s. One is with a total of 224 seats and the other one has a total of 245 seats.

More info with American Airlines Boeing 777 seating charts are on official website of the airline on this link:

http://www.aa.com/content/aboutUs/ourPl ... g777.jhtml

Moin · Post by **Moin** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:16 pm

What if they flew to SYD via Perth?