New York goes non-stop from March 26

Amaad Lone · Post by **Amaad Lone** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 7:47 am

Guess what.

From March 26th PK727 will operate non-stop between Karachi-New York, and PK723 will operate Karachi-Islamabad-New York and PK721 will operate Lahore-New York (orginating from Lahore) non-stop.

While PK717 and PK715 will continue operating to New York via Manchaster, but using the 777.

The New York total increases to five flights, three non-stop and two via Manchaster.

So the US non-stop flights have been allowed.

And the 747s have been removed from the North American routes.

cheetah · Post by **cheetah** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 8:18 am

I still see PK 711 as a B743 flight.

Amaad Lone · Post by **Amaad Lone** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 8:38 am

In the current schedule PK711 is a 747-300 flight, but in the planned schedule starting from end march:

PK-717 Karachi-Manchaster-New York
PK-727 Karachi-New York
PK-715 Karachi-Lahore-Manchaster-New York
PK-723 Karachi-Islamabad-New York
PK-721 Lahore-New York

PK711 does not exsist in the planned schedule.

Three non-stop services and two via Manchaster.

I wonder what happened to the Dubai stopover?????????????

AirBlue · Post by **AirBlue** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 8:43 am

wow this is great! its hard to believe how the US gave rights to PIA to fly in direct. I bet they have some more plans prepared already for the direct flights. If PIA has got direct flights into JFK, i hope they get some for LAX too

cheetah · Post by **cheetah** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 8:55 am

I dont understand this confusion. Boeing is one of the strongest lobbyists in Washington. Its called the power of the $$$.

cheetah · Post by **cheetah** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 2:10 pm

I just confirmed from Flight Ops. PK 715 on Fridays and PK 717 on Sundays will be Combi Flights.

pkjet · Post by **pkjet** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 3:09 pm

Amaad, I am also waiting to hear about the Dubai stopover.
This news originally came from a Senior crew member friend. Looks like he got his wires crossed ???

behramjee · Post by **behramjee** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 4:05 pm

This is great news for PIA and the B 772LR.

However, I would hope that for the peak season especially that the COMBI flights are replaced with the B 743 to cater for the high demand between June-Sept.

Also lets hope that IAH especially is flown via DXB and maybe ORD too.

Adnan Anwar · Post by **Adnan Anwar** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 4:12 pm

Amaad Lone wrote:In the current schedule PK711 is a 747-300 flight, but in the planned schedule starting from end march:

PK-717 Karachi-Manchaster-New York
PK-727 Karachi-New York
PK-715 Karachi-Lahore-Manchaster-New York
PK-723 Karachi-Islamabad-New York
PK-721 Lahore-New York

PK711 does not exsist in the planned schedule.

Three non-stop services and two via Manchaster.

I wonder what happened to the Dubai stopover?????????????

Most likely, PIA ran into the same hurdle as Malaysian from the Emirates or UAE govt. which had to stop the DXB-EWR route right after the Emirates DXB-JFK route started. Just a speculation?

F.K · Post by **F.K** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:25 am

this is known as the figitive buzz that comes with the induction of any new aircraft in an airlines fleet specially when its been a launch customer. theres no way pia will be able to sustain the newyork operations on 300 seaters with the cap on frequencys at 5 which is being exploited to the max already. with the 2 747 flights i still think that the 743 would be given one and during the summer season atleast three would fall in its schedule. when the first 3 777s arrived pia wanted to operate them on high profile routes such as london and new york but they proved to be a fiascoe on the former and hence 2 months later after the high had come down order was restored. the 777lr is not suited for newyork ,toronoto london and manchester. can be best used for houstan chocago,paris and sometimes oslo,copenhegen shared by the larger 777 and the 747 (oslo).

behramjee · Post by **behramjee** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:37 am

the 777lr is not suited for new york ,toronto london and manchester.

As a person who has lived in YYZ for 5 years now and has closely monitored PIAs loads out of YYZ very closely for the last 18 months especially, I beg to differ totally.

The 3 weekly B 772LR operations is an ideal option for the YYZ bound flights for both LOW & HIGH SEASONS. There is no need to send a larger aircraft on this route even in the peak season...and the loads prove that !!!

Now as for JFK, most definitely you need 3 weekly B 743 operating flights in the peak summer and winter seasons alongside 2 B 772LR flights.

ORD and IAH too are perfect B 772LR destinations capacity wise. I do hope that both ORD and IAH become 2 weekly KHI-DXB-ORD + 2 weekly KHI-DXB-IAH flights.

Lastly it is a total waste sending a B 772LR to EU cities in any season as thats not what the aircraft is meant for. The B 772ER can handle the additional capacity of the EU cities in the summer season.

Amaad Lone · Post by **Amaad Lone** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 7:51 am

The information regarding the five flights came from the offical PIA website.

http://www.piac.com.pk/flight_planner/d ... 57:52%20PM

So if the combis are going to operate the two New York flights, then I guess PIA needs to upgrade its website asap.

But I think five 777 flights into New York would have been perfect, allowing PIA to keep its aging 747 fleet closer to home.

cheetah · Post by **cheetah** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:42 am

Well you never know. There is conflicting information from every department in PIA. Talk about Synergy.

F.K · Post by **F.K** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:02 pm

i ve just been told that there might be a slot concession for pia making it 6 a week starting next month. this way pia can use two combi flights a week for cargo purposes and have a 743 fly there once along with two 777ers and eventually just one lr service to keep the non stop fever alive.during the summers the 743s can take up more flights for the seasonal rise. i think the lrs would also form a viable proposition for paris and oslo all year around and if need be the summers could bring in the 747s as has been done in the past. i dont think the 747s growing age should be a reason to keep it away from destinations that call out to its capacity and cargo. if 80000 hour old combis can fly to newyork twice weekly, 743s half that age wouldnt stain the airlines image for sure. marketing needs need to be looked in to and i can bet that these direct flights are not going to attract new customers in the least..a hop in europe is always prefered by passengers traveling transatlantic...!!

hasan saleem · Post by **hasan saleem** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 9:59 pm

According to PIA website (effective 26 march onwards :
Karachi-New York

3Apr06 1Dec06 2 00:05 05:50 0727
772 C,Y 0
26Mar06 1Dec06 5 02:15 13:15 0715
772 C,Y 2
21Jan06 1Dec06 6 02:45 13:50 0711
743 C,Y 2
3Apr06 1Dec06 4 04:15 13:00 0723
772 C,Y 1
27Feb06 1Dec06 7 07:00 14:50 0717
772 C,Y 1

New York-Karachi

3Apr06 1Dec06 4 17:00 10:25+1 0724
772 C,Y 1
3Apr06 1Dec06 3 21:05 23:10+1 0722
74M C,Y 1
26Feb06 1Dec06 5 21:05 02:35+2 0716
772 C,Y 2
3Mar06 1Dec06 6 21:05 02:35+2 0712
743 C,Y 2
27Feb06 1Dec06 7 21:05 02:40+2 0718
772 C,Y 2

Lahore-New York

26Mar06 1Dec06 5 05:30 13:15 0715
772 C,Y 1
21Jan06 1Dec06 6 06:00 13:50 0711
743 C,Y 1
3Apr06 1Dec06 3 11:00 16:35 0721
772 C,Y 0

New York-Lahore

3Apr06 1Dec06 2 10:00 08:45+1 0728
772 C,Y 0
26Feb06 1Dec06 5 21:05 23:20+1 0716
772 C,Y 1
3Mar06 1Dec06 6 21:05 23:20+1 0712
743 C,Y 1

Islamabad-New York

3Apr06 1Dec06 4 07:40 13:00 0723
772 C,Y 0

New York-Islamabad

3Apr06 1Dec06 4 17:00 07:30+1 0724
772 C,Y 0
27Feb06 1Dec06 7 21:05 23:15+1 0718
772 C,Y 1

727 Karachi-New York 728 New York-Lahore 777LR

715 Karachi-Lahore-Manchester-New York 716 New York-Manchester-Lahore -Karachi 777ER

711 Karachi-Lahore-Manchester-New York 712 New York-Manchester-Lahore-Karachi 743

723 Karachi-Islamabad- New York 724 New York-Islamabad-Karachi 777LR

717 Karachi-Manchester-New York 718 New York-Manchester -Islamabad-Karachi 777ER

721 Lahore-New York 722 New York-Manchester-Karachi ( 721 Goes as 777LR and comes back to Karachi as 74M, Where and how does the 74M arrive to into JFK from)

And We have 2 weekly Flights from JFK-ISL but only one ISL-JFK