Air France 380

[alimirfin]

Air France operates daily A380 flight from Paris to Tokyo, yesterday it was btw Finland and Sweden's airspace when they found some problem . They decided to get back to Paris and for that purpose they dropped 70,000 litres of fuel from air into Baltic sea so they could land back in Paris safely.
Its quite interesting and it show much airlines take care of passengers unlike PIA

http://airnation.net/2012/07/02/air-fra ... oor-paris/

[faisal-777]

On my facebook newsfeed,saw the flightradar post mentioning this problem. Apparently it was a problem with the door of aircraft as reported by Swedish press. The plane was cruising at an altitude of FL250 after the plane decided to turn back to CDG.

[JayeHussain]

OK - SO ... you are suggesting that PIA would not care about PAX's safety? Could you please inform the rest of the forum where you have solid evidence that suggests that if a PIA aircraft suffered the same issue it wouldn't care for its PAX's...

Its quite interesting and it show much airlines take care of passengers unlike PIA

http://airnation.net/2012/07/02/air-fra ... oor-paris/

[pk363]

Air France operates daily A380 flight from Paris to Tokyo, yesterday it was btw Finland and Sweden's airspace when they found some problem . They decided to get back to Paris and for that purpose they dropped 70,000 litres of fuel from air into Baltic sea so they could land back in Paris safely.
Its quite interesting and it show much airlines take care of passengers unlike PIA

http://airnation.net/2012/07/02/air-fra ... oor-paris/

I dont see any comparison between AF and PIA with reference of this incidence unless you can provide some examples:

1. Any incident in which PK decided to contniue towards destitation even after detecting fault?
2. PK landed back heavy w/o dumping fuel after detecting fault?
3. PK dumped PAX and saved fuel when forced to land after detecting fault?

[haroon_ek]

I don't want to go against PIA, but if I am not wrong, there was an incident in which a B777 went from Lahore to Karachi with the cracked cockpit wind screen held by Gaffer tape or something like that. I might be wrong but I did hear such incident! Can anyone confirm????

[umar744]

last time I flew with PIA B747 AP-BCO failed gear wheel up after took off in Moscow then Captain Bashir AHmed was very good control to remergency landed back Moscow without jettism dump fuel. B747 limited landing weignt was 265,000kg but can do maximum 285,000kg. we took off 318,000kg then emergency landed 315,000kg smooth no problem and no wheel tyre any burst. Maybe perhaps A380 weight landing different Boeing 747 weight emergency. my friend Captain 747-400 emergency landed 385,000kg on Runway 12000feet

[umar744]

last time I flew with PIA B747 AP-BCO failed gear wheel up after took off in Moscow then Captain Bashir AHmed was very good control to remergency landed back Moscow without jettism dump fuel. B747 limited landing weignt was 265,000kg but can do maximum 285,000kg. we took off 318,000kg then emergency landed 315,000kg smooth no problem and no wheel tyre any burst. Maybe perhaps A380 weight landing different Boeing 747 weight emergency. my friend Captain 747-400 emergency landed 385,000kg on Runway 12000feet

[raihans]

I don't want to go against PIA, but if I am not wrong, there was an incident in which a B777 went from Lahore to Karachi with the cracked cockpit wind screen held by Gaffer tape or something like that. I might be wrong but I did hear such incident! Can anyone confirm????

so you are not sure of the T7 flight with cracked cockpit wind screen...i think you need to be confirmed yourself first, search any such authentic source of information and then say some thing other wise dont just finger on PIA and in my opinion PIA has never put passengers lives on risk, whereever it needed like diversion, emergency landings etc, it did upto its best level and this is the reason why PIA pilots are one of the best in the world!

[faisal-777]

I don't want to go against PIA, but if I am not wrong, there was an incident in which a B777 went from Lahore to Karachi with the cracked cockpit wind screen held by Gaffer tape or something like that. I might be wrong but I did hear such incident! Can anyone confirm????

so you are not sure of the T7 flight with cracked cockpit wind screen...i think you need to be confirmed yourself first, search any such authentic source of information and then say some thing other wise dont just finger on PIA and in my opinion PIA has never put passengers lives on risk, whereever it needed like diversion, emergency landings etc, it did upto its best level and this is the reason why PIA pilots are one of the best in the world!

If I recall correctly, PIA did not actually use any tape rather the crack appeared after the B747 took off. The pilot landed back for repairs and then flight departed after some 4-6 hours of delay. Cant recall when exactly did this happen but is a recent incident. Nothing like use of tape etc.

However, the A310 that got "impounded" by French aviation authority in CDG was reported to have its fuel pipe fastened using steel wire, alongwith 30 other technical defects

[raihans]

I don't want to go against PIA, but if I am not wrong, there was an incident in which a B777 went from Lahore to Karachi with the cracked cockpit wind screen held by Gaffer tape or something like that. I might be wrong but I did hear such incident! Can anyone confirm????

so you are not sure of the T7 flight with cracked cockpit wind screen...i think you need to be confirmed yourself first, search any such authentic source of information and then say some thing other wise dont just finger on PIA and in my opinion PIA has never put passengers lives on risk, whereever it needed like diversion, emergency landings etc, it did upto its best level and this is the reason why PIA pilots are one of the best in the world!

If I recall correctly, PIA did not actually use any tape rather the crack appeared after the B747 took off. The pilot landed back for repairs and then flight departed after some 4-6 hours of delay. Cant recall when exactly did this happen but is a recent incident. Nothing like use of tape etc.

However, the A310 that got "impounded" by French aviation authority in CDG was reported to have its fuel pipe fastened using steel wire, alongwith 30 other technical defects

It is good that you corrected your statement about T7 wind screen cracking news, i dont know about the B747 incident. Anyhow coming to A310 issue, i remember that French authorities impounted it due to having number of snags found which were not in compliance to safety but can you prove your statement about fixing the fule pipe fastened using steel wire?

BTW, its not a fault on the flight crew instead we can say it is negligibility of PIA engineering if your statement is true!

[faisal-777]

so you are not sure of the T7 flight with cracked cockpit wind screen...i think you need to be confirmed yourself first, search any such authentic source of information and then say some thing other wise dont just finger on PIA and in my opinion PIA has never put passengers lives on risk, whereever it needed like diversion, emergency landings etc, it did upto its best level and this is the reason why PIA pilots are one of the best in the world!

If I recall correctly, PIA did not actually use any tape rather the crack appeared after the B747 took off. The pilot landed back for repairs and then flight departed after some 4-6 hours of delay. Cant recall when exactly did this happen but is a recent incident. Nothing like use of tape etc.

However, the A310 that got "impounded" by French aviation authority in CDG was reported to have its fuel pipe fastened using steel wire, alongwith 30 other technical defects

It is good that you corrected your statement about T7 wind screen cracking news, i dont know about the B747 incident. Anyhow coming to A310 issue, i remember that French authorities impounted it due to having number of snags found which were not in compliance to safety but can you prove your statement about fixing the fule pipe fastened using steel wire?

BTW, its not a fault on the flight crew instead we can say it is negligibility of PIA engineering if your statement is true!

I did not make that T7 statement I was just trying to add some information which I thought haroon_ek was trying to present.

Regarding the steel wire thing, I will try to get hold of the document that french aviation authority sent to CAA Pakistan. It's scan is available. And this steel wire thing was mentioned in that as told by my friend who read that. His information is generally very true so I trust his statement but I'll try to find link to that document to see if this fact is also true or not

Regards

[raihans]

apologize for missunderstanding in between you and haroon and looking forward for the doc regarding the steel wire fixation on PIA aircraft.

Beside this, we are off the topic it was about AF A380 but not about PIA as the topic initiater alimirfin dragged it unnecessarily towards PIA

[faisal-777]

OK I tried to get hold of such document but no one seems to have it. Perhaps it was an misunderstanding regarding the document. The steel wire claim can be taken unconfirmed report. Heard it from someone so stays a weak information. Apologies

[raihans]

OK I tried to get hold of such document but no one seems to have it. Perhaps it was an misunderstanding regarding the document. The steel wire claim can be taken unconfirmed report. Heard it from someone so stays a weak information. Apologies

Thank you for withdrawing your statement, i really appreciate that

[alimirfin]

My idea was not to degrade PIA but to point out the things which should not be there.
Atleast they should work life Turkish or Thai airways and good news is that they fired an officer who was taking 50,000 US dollars per month, It seems that things are going in positive way now =D>