Acquired experience

[smhusain_1]

"In considering how a pilot's job description has changed from the hands-on era to the current era of programming and monitoring computers, old timers suggest that today's pilots better be careful or they might program themselves out of a job. I don't think that there are many old aviators from the hands-on era who envy the pilots of these aerial transport yawners. There are a multitude of pilots flying the jets today who haven't had the privilege of getting scared. The greatness of an airline doesn't come from its large size, or all the updated equipment. It's the employees who make the best of what they have and dedicate their hearts and soul to making it work. That's what makes a resplendent airline."--The Golden Years of Flying by Capt Tex Searle

In my career with PIA as a captain and copilot, I flew with 152 captains. Can you imagine what an opportunity it was to acquire that experience and wealth of knowledge. One of the problems facing the aviation industry is lack of experience for the role assigned. In North America, an airline copilot flies with one captain for some length of time which in my opinion shouldn't be so. I have compiled a list of the seniors who taught me to stay alive:

Fokker F-27 Captains
1. Anwarullah
2. Akbar Afridi
3. Amjad Faizi
4. Amin Akhtar
5. Abbas
6. Ashraf
7. Aqeel Ahmed Hashmi
8. Ansar Siddiqui
9. S.U.R. Bokhari
10. A.Q. Bhurgiri
11. Shahnawaz Dara
12. Muhammad Akmal
13. Fida Muhammad Khan
14. Fazle Hussain Khan Ghori
15. Fazluddin Haqqi
16. Humayun
17. Waheed Hasan Jaswal
18. Mir Rashid
19. Manzoor Chaudhry
20. Masud Ahmad
21. Mussawar Sangdila
22. M.R. Mirza
23. M.S.K. Lodhi
24. Mansoor Moghal
25. T. Mannan
26. Mansoor E. Khan
27. Mansoor Malik
28. Mubashir Ahmed
29. Munir
30. Najam ul Huda
31. Nabi Draz Khan
32. Nayyar Mohsin
33. Osman Khan
34. Syed Haider Rahat
35. Etizaz Rabbani
36. Raziuddin
37. Shahid Ali
38. Saadat
39. Musheer Ahmad Suri
40. Mushtaq Sharif
41. Shaukat Ali
42. Sajid Quraishi
43. Syed Ahmad Hussain Rizvi
44. Agha Ahmed Teherany
45. Tassawar Hussain Naqvi
46. Mian Shahid Waseem
47. Wajid Ali Shah
48. Zahid Hussain
49. Mohammad Ashraf Zuberi
50. Mohammad Zaki
51. Hasan Zaheer

707/720 Captains
1. Abbas
2. Muhammad Afzal
3. Akbar Afridi
4. Anis Khan
5. Ashfaq Hussain
6. Muhammad Akmal
7. A.T.M.A. Hussain
8. Aqeel Ahmad Hashmi
9. Azmat
10. Banfield
11. Blake
12. Stille
13. Lovelace
14. Bashar
15. Shahnawaz Dara
16. Aijaz Dodhy
17. Ejaz ul Haq
18. Easton
19. Farrukh Naqi
20. Morgan Felix
21. Fida
22. Mohammad Ghias uddin
23. Gingles
24. Hamid Hussain
25. Hameed Malik
26. Fazluddin Haqqi
27. Idrees Hussain
28. Iftekhar Janjua
29. Imam-uddin Khwaja
30. Muhammad Ishaq
31. J.M. Quraishi
32. Nasir Pervaiz Junaidi
33. Khalid Iqbal
34. Khursheed Cheema
35. Riaz Khokhar
36. Syed Kamal
37. M.I. Yuonis
38. M.S.K. Lodhi
39. M. Salim
40. Munir Khan
41. Mushtaq Cheema
42. Maqsood
43. Mahfooz
44. Mirza.Rafiq Mazhar
45. Mussawar Sangdila
46. Manzoor Chaudhry
47. Mansoor Moghal
48. Mansoor Elahi Khan
49. M. Zubair
50. Najam ul Huda
51. Nisar Chughtai
52. Nayyar Mohsin
53. Safdar Nana
54. Osman Yunus
55. Pervaiz Saeed
56. Musheer Ahmad Suri
57. Nasir Rana
58. Raonaq
59. Etizaz Rabbani
60. Sami Ahmed
61. Sheikh Rashid
62. Sadiq Ali
63. Sajid Quraishi
64. Shahab
65. Shuja ul Hasan
66. Shaukat Ali
67. Shafiq Quadri
68. Tahir Rashid Mir
69. Agha Ahmed Teherany
70. Tariq
71. Wajid Ali Shah
72. Williams
73. Syed Sultan Zaman
74. Zia Mohammad

747 Captains
1. S.S. Akber
2. Ashfaq
3. Anwar Khan
4. Aleem Abdul Aziz
5. Afaq Rizvi
6. Ahmed Ali
7. Bashir Akhtar
8. Chaudhry
9. Donald Frazer
10. Haider Ali Fazil
11. Hameed Malik
12. Muhammad Ishaq
13. Imam-uddin Khwaja
14. Khalid Ahmad
15. Khusro
16. K.R. Khan
17. Mobin
18. M.I. Rehman
19. Mian Aziz
20. M.M. Mahmood
21. N.H. Naqvi
22. M.F. Nasir
23. Rahim
24. Raja Ziaullah
25. Saeed Akhtar
26. Saleemul Haq
27. Salim Akbar
28. Siraj Ali
29. M.M. Salehjee
30. Shaukat Hussain Khan
31. A.A. Shah
32. Muhammad Zaki

TTL Captains 157 – 30 = 127

1. Akbar Afridi (F27, 707)
2. Muhammad Zaki (F27, 747)
3. Shaukat Hussain Khan (707,747)
4. Saleemul Haq (707, 747)
5. Raja Ziaullah (707, 747)
6. N.H. Naqvi (707, 747)
7. Imam-uddin Khwaja (707, 747)
8. Hameed Malik (707, 747)
9. Muhammad Ishaq (707, 747)
10. Bashir Akhtar (707, 747)
11. Ahmed Ali (707, 747)
12. Wajid Ali Shah (F27, 707)
13. Agha Ahmed Teherani (F27, 707)
14. Shaukat Ali (F27, 707)
15. Sajid Quraishi (F27, 707)
16. Etizaz Rabbani (F27, 707)
17. Pervaiz Saeed (F27, 707)
18. Mansoor Elahi Khan (F27,707)
19. Nayyar Mohsin (F27, 707)
20. Mansoor Mughal (F27, 747)
21. Manzoor Chaudhry(F27, 747)
22. Fazluddin Haqqi (F27, 707)
23. Fida Muhammad Khan (F27, 707)
24. Shahnawaz Dara (F27, 707)
25. Aqeel Ahmed Hashmi (F27, 707)
26. Hasan Zaheer (F27, 707)
27. Muhammad Akmal (F27, 707)
28. M.S.K. Lodhi (F27, 707)
29. M.R. Mirza (F27, 707)
30. Osman Khan (F27, 707)

[Abbas Ali]

Very impressive list. Many of those names are glittering stars in the history of PIA.

Abbas

[venom]

so good to see my dad's name there. May his soul rest in peace!

[pkheavy]

Did you fly with Capt. Habib Ahmed (S61, F27, 707/720B, DC10, B747)?

[Khan747]

I always look for your post which is totally different & full of knowledge & experience. It will be great if you decide to write down a book.

[inducedrag]

I always look for your post which is totally different & full of knowledge & experience. It will be great if you decide to write down a book.

Me too

[smhusain_1]

No. I got my FAA ATP with Capt Habib when we went together from the Statler Hilton (Manhattan 32nd St) by subway to an airfield on Long Island and did the test together in a Cessna177RG. He had earlier graciously allowed me to share his room in the hotel for the purpose and had insisted on my moving from a YMCA somewhere on 52nd St.

I had operated a freighter flight to New York and decided at Frankfurt to get my ATP and applied for leave from Capt N. Chughtai (CPPS) to travel from there back to New York. My log books were brought by Capt Reginald Luther who was operating some flight out of Karachi.

Did you fly with Capt. Habib Ahmed (S61, F27, 707/720B, DC10, B747)?

[smhusain_1]

Capt N. Chughtai (CPPS) also conveyed my change of plans at Frankfurt to my residence in Karachi.

No. I got my FAA ATP with Capt Habib when we went together from the Statler Hilton (Manhattan 32nd St) by subway to an airfield on Long Island and did the test together in a Cessna177RG. He had earlier graciously allowed me to share his room in the hotel for the purpose and had insisted on my moving from a YMCA somewhere on 52nd St.

I had operated a freighter flight to New York and decided at Frankfurt to get my ATP and applied for leave from Capt N. Chughtai (CPPS) to travel from there back to New York. My log books were brought by Capt Reginald Luther who was operating some flight out of Karachi.

Did you fly with Capt. Habib Ahmed (S61, F27, 707/720B, DC10, B747)?

[pkheavy]

Capt N. Chughtai (CPPS) also conveyed my change of plans at Frankfurt to my residence in Karachi.

No. I got my FAA ATP with Capt Habib when we went together from the Statler Hilton (Manhattan 32nd St) by subway to an airfield on Long Island and did the test together in a Cessna177RG. He had earlier graciously allowed me to share his room in the hotel for the purpose and had insisted on my moving from a YMCA somewhere on 52nd St.

I had operated a freighter flight to New York and decided at Frankfurt to get my ATP and applied for leave from Capt N. Chughtai (CPPS) to travel from there back to New York. My log books were brought by Capt Reginald Luther who was operating some flight out of Karachi.

Did you fly with Capt. Habib Ahmed (S61, F27, 707/720B, DC10, B747)?

This would have been in the early 80s when he was on DC-10s during General Zia's era. He did his written exam in Tetoboro NJ and the practical as you say up in Long Island. We spoke last night and he sends his Salam and greetings to you.