Aviation 400 Release: PIA Pakistan Int DC-10-30 Reg: AP-AXC

samee380 · Post by **samee380** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:54 am

Scale 1/400

PK777 · Post by **PK777** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:48 pm

Do you know the reg?

samee380 · Post by **samee380** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:53 pm

PK777 wrote:Do you know the reg?

Look in title - AP-AXC

So we have two versions of AP-AXC, one with stars and the other without stars!

Also gold cheatline DC-10 PIA should be planned by AC i predict!

PK777 · Post by **PK777** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:05 pm

samee380 wrote:
PK777 wrote:Do you know the reg?
Look in title - AP-AXC

So we have two versions of AP-AXC, one with stars and the other without stars!

Also gold cheatline DC-10 PIA should be planned by AC i predict!

haha.. how silly of me!

Looks like Im going to have to get this anyway

When is it out?

PK777 · Post by **PK777** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:06 pm

Found the official pic;

PK777 · Post by **PK777** » Thu May 22, 2008 2:28 am

Here she is!

samee380 · Post by **samee380** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:11 am

Got it!

its good!

Moin · Post by **Moin** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:25 pm

AC has already done 2 versions of this, with and w/o stars on the tail so why couldn't they go and do the 80's green/gold livery that AC hasn't done as yet. Go for the AC version, its slightly better.

Besides I don't think PIA had a DC-10 combi did it?

nutsforplanes · Post by **nutsforplanes** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:18 am

Moin wrote:

Besides I don't think PIA had a DC-10 combi did it?

AP-AXC was actually a combi when it arrived in 1974. PIA later on converted it into a full pax version. Not sure if AXD and AXE were combi's and later converted into full pax versions.

If memory serves me correctly they were designated DC-10-30CF

Abbas Ali · Post by **Abbas Ali** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:40 pm

All five DC-10s (AP-AXC, AP-AXD, AP-AXE, AP-AYM & AP-BBL) operated by PIA between 1974 and 1986 were full passenger model DC-10-30 without main deck side cargo door. So, it's wrong to show main deck side cargo door on this PIA DC-10 model.

According to DC-10 production list, a total of 35 DC-10s were built as convertible aircraft (passenger/cargo or all-cargo) with main deck side cargo door. These 35 convertible DC-10s were:

9 x DC-10-10CF - eight for Continental Airlines + one for United Airlines.

26 x DC-10-30CF - nine for World Airways + five for Overseas National Airways + five for Sabena + four for Martinair + three for Trans International Airlines.

A number of full passenger version DC-10s during later stage of their life underwent conversion and were fitted with side cargo door to fly as cargo aircraft.

Former AP-AXC of PIA underwent conversion work in late 1990s and was fitted with main deck side cargo door to fly as cargo aircraft with Gemini Air Cargo under registration N614GC.

Now, I guess makers of this aircraft model were fooled by some photo of N614GC with main side cargo door and they wrongly thought that McDonnell Douglas delivered it to PIA as AP-AXC with main side cargo door in 1974 and that's why they are wrongly showing main deck cargo door in the model.

Similiarly ex-AP-AYM of PIA also underwent conversion work in late 1990s and was fitted with main deck side cargo door to fly as cargo aircraft for Centurion Air Cargo under registration N306FV.

All other three PIA DC-10-30s (AP-AXE, AP-AXD & AP-BBL) ended their career as full passenger aircraft.

Abbas

nutsforplanes · Post by **nutsforplanes** » Thu Jun 05, 2008 4:59 am

I distinctly remember the cargo area on the main deck of the AP-AXC. We (my brothers and I) were taken on a tour by our father, just after the arrival of AP-AXC way back in 1974 (no wise a** comments about my age please

).

DC-10-30CF's did not necessarily have a SCD. Notice on the following photographs.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Sabena/M ... 1184391/L/

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Sabena/M ... 0989789/L/

Abbas Ali · Post by **Abbas Ali** » Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:35 am

nutsforplanes wrote:DC-10-30CF's did not necessarily have a SCD. Notice on the following photographs.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Sabena/M ... 1184391/L/

Main deck Side Cargo Door was on DC-10-30CF's port side and in above photo link that shows port side of the aircraft, upper outline of main deck Side Cargo Door is very visible above SABENA fuselage titles. Please note cargo door outline above letters ENA. Control button(s) for Side Cargo Door also visible just below cabin windows that come under letter 'N' of SABENA.

Abbas

nutsforplanes · Post by **nutsforplanes** » Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:37 am

Bloody hell....you are a smart man. Good observation

H Khan · Post by **H Khan** » Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:44 pm

As nutsforplanes wrote we along with our late father went to 'inspect'

PIA's first DC-10-30CF, AP-AXC at KHI. F/E Shams gave our father the initial round of the aircraft. DC-10-30CF was written at quite a few places on the aircraft. All the pilots manuals had DC-10-30CF written on them.

AP-AXC, AP-AXD, and AP-AXE were originally configured for 215 PAX in mixed class with main cabin baggage. There were 22 first class with 6 abreast seats (42 inch pitch) with 193 economy class 9 abreast seats (34 inch pitch) and 1 R/L thru 7 R/L baggage containers starting from about 11th window after door #3 to the door #4 on the right side or port interior. If you entered the thru door # 4 on the port side on the left were containers and on the right was galley#4 but there was a passage along the windows. These DC-10-30CF had no SCD.

These three DC-10-30CF were powered by GE CF6-50C1 rated at 51,800 lbs where as the regular 30/CF/F/ER were powered by CF6-50C/C2/C2B, all of these engines were rated at 50,400 lbs and C2B (used on 30ER for Thai and Swiss) at 53,200 lbs. The fascinating thing about PIA DC-10 engines were that they had Alternate takeoff (5 min) at sea level, static thrust, lb.at 46,600 lbs. Which meant that the aircraft could take-off with only two engines (No. 1 & 2) at 95% trust with weight below 410,000 lbs. This take-off option was routinely used by the pilots when the airliner was not full and saved tremendous amounts of fuel. However, pilots always had engine No.3 running at idle.

Its max-landing weight was higher then 30, max-payload was also higher, max T/O weight was higher than 30, etc.

All in all a super aircraft and pilots used to call it fighter aircraft because of its high trust and performance. According to most PIA pilots DC-10 held the record of least breaking the sound curfew violations at Japaneses and European airports during take-off.

The biggest mistake PIA made was to swap DC-10 with older B-747. Obviously, someone made a tons of $$$ for kick-backs.

Therefore, nutsforplanes is 100% right that PIA DC-10 were 30CF.

PK777 · Post by **PK777** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:09 pm

Wow nows thats what I call a detailed analysis of this model. Havnt got this one yet, but since the got one of the main feature on a model wrong might have to miss on it!

Also pretty much got this model - AC did the same livery but different reg.