Boeing Offers to Convert PIA Boeing 777-300ERs Order Into Boeing 787 Dreamliner

[CoyBoy]

The A333 might go back to Sri Lankan if govt. loses next election and Premiere is wrapped up or PIA is privatised and Premiere will definitely go, or if Sri Lankan becomes profitable and want the aircraft back.

Airlines that operate 789 and A333 in their fleets are Air China, Vietnam Airlines, Etihad, Saudia, KLM, Virgin Atlantic, American and Air Canada, in future Qantas, Korean Air, Hainan and Jet Airways will do so as well.

[Sherry3002]

There must be T&Cs that don't allow that to happen. I doubt Sri Lankan can walk up to PIA one day and be like: "We're profitable again, thanks for giving us some spare cash during our crisis. We'd like our plane back now, thank you very much, tell your passengers you're reverting back to the standard service."

[CoyBoy]

They can pay PIA a penalty if the lease is cut short, I'm sure its part of the deal, also if Premiere hadnt been started this lease would have just beena generic one and returning the standard service aircraft back to UL might have not hurt PIA as much.

Suddenly out of the blue PIA are getting 787s too makes it seem they want suitable aircraft in fleet should something negative happen with the UL deal.

[Amaad Lone]

PIA has finalized the deal to get eight 787-800s in place of the five 777-300ERs

Will post delivery schedule later.

[GEnx]

PIA has finalized the deal to get eight 787-800s in place of the five 777-300ERs

Will post delivery schedule later.

You sure that's the -8..? There hav'nt been even a single new order for this variant for last 2-3 years. Even Boeing has shown preference to sell the -9 in place of the -8.

[Abbas Ali]

BTW, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif is scheduled to visit USA this month. Maybe during his presence the agreement can be signed in USA by PIA and Boeing officials for Boeing 787s.

Abbas

[Abdulrafeysiddiqui]

I remember, one of the HOP member said that Boeing Officials would be visiting Karachi. What about that?

[ammad]

Chances of deal happen in next few days are very likely as PIA wants first Aircraft to be delivered in june 2017 so the deal should have to close in next couple of days.

[ammad]

BTW, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif is scheduled to visit USA this month. Maybe during his presence the agreement can be signed in USA by PIA and Boeing officials for Boeing 787s.

Abbas

I think this should be handle by PIA and Boeing only. Prime minister presence is little bit extra in my opinion.

[Abbas Ali]

Boeing proposed 787s in a letter addressed to PM Sharif and that's why possibility of agreement signing during his upcoming US visit came to my mind.

Or maybe agreement gets announced during the US visit or Mr. Sharif gets invitation to tour 787 assembly line.

Abbas

[uzairali]

^ My point is not only having more frequencies, but also having a plane that does 250 seats.

We were seeking a replacement for a310, and it looks like we're just replacing those planes with 300 seater planes.

[uzairali]

The A333 might go back to Sri Lankan if govt. loses next election and Premiere is wrapped up or PIA is privatised and Premiere will definitely go, or if Sri Lankan becomes profitable and want the aircraft back.

Airlines that operate 789 and A333 in their fleets are Air China, Vietnam Airlines, Etihad, Saudia, KLM, Virgin Atlantic, American and Air Canada, in future Qantas, Korean Air, Hainan and Jet Airways will do so as well.

Don't compare big airlines like those with Pakistan. Air Canada bought a333 many years ago when b787 were not being made, like some other airlines that you quoted. It cannot simply dump a333 now that b787 is out. Turkish airlines have b737-800 and a320 operated same time, they can manage to afford it. Also those airlines have b767 or a332 to cater to medium market, what PIA cannot and was seeking to do.

PIA already had b772 300 seaters and it was looking to buy a332/b788 aircrafts to replace a310. But apparently it has bought a333 and b789, both 300 seaters.

Yet in the past PIA higher ups had said that pia will only have ATR/a320/b787 OR a330/b777. What is next, we are going to have b737-800 RR engines as well?


Now we have ended up with 19 b772/a333/b789 aircrafts that do 300 seating, 0 aircrafts that can do load between 158 seats to 300 seats. The plan was to have present 8 b772 do 300 seats and say 12 doing 225-250 load. And it's worth saying, we actually did have 12 a310 in the past. But now we have ended up with 11 300 seater replacement for an a310 that did 200~ seats.

[CoyBoy]

I just gave you an example of airlines that are using both types, Vietnam even has A350 its a poor, communist country I can bet corrupt too, if they can why cant PIA?

[Pakistan-1]

a poor, communist country

Vietnam is one of the fastest developing economies in the world and it has a GDP far greater then Pakistan furthermore they are a major US ally in the South China Sea

[uzairali]

I don't mind pia getting f b789 but if they knew they were going to buy it why did they go for a333?

There were other B772's that were very cheap prices but pia instead got a333 at expensive lease because they're new. Now we have to train pilots for a333 and do a lot more things when it would not only been cheaper to lease B772's but also other costs!

They could've leased some 6 a321 instead for the same price as near new a333. And b789 will arrive in years time not very far. Not like we've all 3 a333 this month and we could have stuck with wet lease only instead of signing for dry lease as well for 6 years.


http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=587137

You can see lease prices. We are probably paying $1 per month since very new aircraft (dry lease. Wet lease even more?) and a321 can be leased for as little as 100,000. Of course hard to find deal but let's stay in middle 200,000 we can have 5 a321 for the price of one a333. Or 15 a321 for the price is 3 a333. Even if these prices are wrong, pia could've definitely gotten 6 a321 for same lease price and use them for ME routes