737-800 vs A320 Family

TAC777 · Post by **TAC777** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 3:47 pm

Best option for PIA will be to go for B737-700ER which has a maximum range of 6350nm with aux tanks. Though it carries lesser payload but then it will be the darling of marketing deptt who doesnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t have the potential to do better than this. It can fly nonstop to many European countries probably excluding UK. In my opinion the best choice if we can afford other than this is B787.

umar744 · Post by **umar744** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 5:44 pm

737-100,200,300,400,500,600,700,800 have been accident, crash, written off, etc but new 787 better than them. 787 new enioverment and CO2 and save fuel and good big window size.

Abbas Ali · Post by **Abbas Ali** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:52 pm

The topic is about narrow body aircraft like B737 and A320.

B787 is wide-body aircraft designed to replace A300, A310, A330, A340, B767 and larger version of B757 family.

As far as 737 accidents are concerned, since 737 is the most ordered and produced commercial passenger jet of all time that's why naturally more 737s are involved in incidents/accidents compared to other aircraft in its category.

The fact is that Boeing 737 is world's most popular medium range, narrow body airliner.

TAC777 · Post by **TAC777** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 8:28 pm

Thats true B787 is a wide body aircraft of medium capacity but for PIA, medium capacity ER aircraft is more suitable which can be useful on KHI-ISB, KHI-LHE etc routes and ISB-FRA, LHE-PAR, LHE-ROM, etc routes.

javed · Post by **javed** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:17 pm

Actually only future model 787-3 (2010) will fit the mid range and medium capacity definition.

Otherwise, both 787-8 (2008) and 787-9 (2010) will be more of Longer Range (15000+Km) aircraft with medium capacity. 787-8 will be better suited for airlines like PIA that have multiple domestic hubs.

Smaller 200 pax airplane with ability fly non-stop to/from North America from/to Pakistan. PIA will be able to offer daily freqeuencies from North America to atleast two of its hubs with 787-8 without lowering its fares and yet able to fill all seats on the plane.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/787fam ... 8prod.html

Europe has been replaced as R&D hub by India/China and there is decreasing demand for stopovers in Europe. American businessmen now need to fly to Asia non-stop and thus the market for these aircraft.

Airborne · Post by **Airborne** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 9:54 am

Gentlemen,

For all I know, if A310s need to be replaced, they should be done by any other wide body aircraft be it B787 or A330.

A321 indeed has a reasonable seating capacity, but it still isn't a wide body a/c. And if I were to travel to Europe as a passenger, trust me, I would prefer travelling on Emirates or any other airline because they fly bigger planes, and I would not want to sit in a cramped plane for 7-8 hours continously........

truth · Post by **truth** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:23 pm

Confirm News PIA has finally signed deal with 7 A320, starting from Jan 2009

aviatmani · Post by **aviatmani** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:37 pm

truth wrote:Confirm News PIA has finally signed deal with 7 A320, starting from Jan 2009

is it for brand new ones or used ones!?

...i hope they did it to please the EU and the EU lifts the ban immedietly and when the time for delivery starts PIA cancels the order and goes for 787s...

Abbas Ali · Post by **Abbas Ali** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:40 pm

truth wrote:Confirm News PIA has finally signed deal with 7 A320, starting from Jan 2009

I would like to know some details.

So far Airbus official website (www.airbus.com) is not showing it in its press releases section.

Does it mean Airbus A320 has been approved by PIA's fleet planning department and the airline is going to acquire brand new A320s through aircraft leasing company ILFC (www.ilfc.com) or GECAS (www.gecas.com) ?

Btw, at the moment ILFC and GECAS websites are also not showing such deal with PIA in their press releases section.

Abbas

truth · Post by **truth** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:39 am

Abbas Ali wrote:Does it mean Airbus A320 has been approved by PIA's fleet planning department and the airline is going to acquire brand new A320s through aircraft leasing company ILFC (www.ilfc.com) or GECAS (www.gecas.com) ?

Btw, at the moment ILFC and GECAS websites are also not showing such deal with PIA in their press releases section.

Abbas

Yes Abbas it has been approved by PIA fleet planning, and by Monday news will be out officially, dont know much about leasing company

Abbas Ali · Post by **Abbas Ali** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:05 am

truth wrote: Yes Abbas it has been approved by PIA fleet planning, and by Monday news will be out officially, dont know much about leasing company

Thank you - that's very nice to know. Looking forward to hear official announcement.

Personally, I wished to see new generation Boeing 737s replace our ageing Boeing 737-300s. But, anyway, people in PIA fleet planning department know better which aircraft is more suitable for the airline.

Abbas

chevron · Post by **chevron** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 7:56 am

truth wrote:Confirm News PIA has finally signed deal with 7 A320, starting from Jan 2009

Is this decision in sync with the Flight Ops dept? I mean they have equated ATR with 737, does this mean the equation stands terminated?

The pace of training new cadets is pathetically slow and I doubt they will b operational on 737 before A320 replaces it.

Airborne · Post by **Airborne** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:53 am

chevron wrote:
truth wrote:Confirm News PIA has finally signed deal with 7 A320, starting from Jan 2009
Is this decision in sync with the Flight Ops dept? I mean they have equated ATR with 737, does this mean the equation stands terminated?

The pace of training new cadets is pathetically slow and I doubt they will b operational on 737 before A320 replaces it.

Well-said once again Chevron; please find my reply to this on the other topic namely "Equation of ATRs with 737".

Cheers!

chevron · Post by **chevron** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 6:24 am

Yes Abbas it has been approved by PIA fleet planning, and by Monday news will be out officially, dont know much about leasing company

When are they going to announce the alleged A-320 aircraft purchase deal? or was it just a rumor?

Airborne · Post by **Airborne** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 7:09 am

Yes it beats me too that when will they finally announce it; as far as I know, everyone now seems to be talking about the deal.