Deal Between ABN AMRO and PIA for 3 Boeing 777-300ERs

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Ah...the good old Export -Import Bank.Mr Bush's pat on the back for Musharraf.
No... Its no pat on the back, its your a**. Ex Im bank don't do it for nothing - Look up the requirements that were met by GOP via Ahmed Saeed for the B777 transactions. One of them was specified increase in equity by GOP; another was $75 million, and yet another was the lien on Pakistan's foreign reserves in event PIA was unable to meet the payment schedule. Citibank was the funder after GOP had met all all Ex Im bank conditions (non negotiable) and paid the charges for approval & guarantees for the funding banks to lend. While most have been pushing privatization (the fashionable way to rob) ExIm & others have required increase of Govt. equity, which has been complied to most expediently everytime, to 'qualify' for loans not required.

Meantime, none of the aircraft being readied for EU ops have yet rolled out of maint. BFU has been under maint. since Oct '06! BFV is 4 engines short. BGP is two engines short (too bad it only has two engines). So, more than 7000 Engg/Maint employees & all the money, expertise & tools have sofar failed to meet routine (minor) maint. schedules.
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The privatized PTCL ( Zaffar A. Khan) is reported to carry out a lay-off 22,000 employees. How many lay-offs expected in PIA? We can start off with the 7,000 personnel of PIA engineering.
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zerbaer wrote:
Ah...the good old Export -Import Bank.Mr Bush's pat on the back for Musharraf.
No... Its no pat on the back, its your a**. Ex Im bank don't do it for nothing - Look up the requirements that were met by GOP via Ahmed Saeed for the B777 transactions. One of them was specified increase in equity by GOP; another was $75 million, and yet another was the lien on Pakistan's foreign reserves in event PIA was unable to meet the payment schedule. Citibank was the funder after GOP had met all all Ex Im bank conditions (non negotiable) and paid the charges for approval & guarantees for the funding banks to lend. While most have been pushing privatization (the fashionable way to rob) ExIm & others have required increase of Govt. equity, which has been complied to most expediently everytime, to 'qualify' for loans not required.
The quote was a joke my friend!!
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VC10 .. I understand. Appreciate you not getting upset, as is very usual on this forum.
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when will they be delivered to PIA ..!? any idea gentlmen!?
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aviatmani wrote:when will they be delivered to PIA ..!? any idea gentlmen!?
thats what i would like to know. we could do with them asap
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Pakistan Air Seeks $532 Million to Fund Boeing Planes

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Pakistan Air Seeks $532 Million to Fund Boeing Planes

By Patricia Kuo

June 6 (Bloomberg) -- Pakistan International Airlines Corp. will borrow $532 million in its biggest dollar-denominated loan to fund the purchase of three new planes after the European Union in March barred most of its fleet from flying into the region.

The airline hired ABN Amro Holding NV to arrange the loans, M. Abdul Aleem, the Karachi, Pakistan-based carrier's chief financial officer said in an e-mailed response to questions. Pakistan's government and the U.S. Export-Import Bank will guarantee a 12-year, $470 million part of the loan, he said.

Pakistan International will use the loan to fund 85 percent of the purchase cost of three new Boeing Co. 777 aircraft, allowing it to better cope with rising travel demand, Abdul said. The airline is under pressure to upgrade its fleet after the 27- nation EU in March limited it to using only 777s for flights to the region, citing safety concerns.

``It seems like a wise move to buy planes for Europe because that is a major area of sales and this can prove very positive,'' said Atif Malik, research analyst at JS Global Capital Ltd., in Karachi, who has a ``hold'' recommendation on the stock.

The carrier's shares, which have gained 0.7 percent this year, fell 2.1 percent to 7.10 rupees at the 2:15 p.m. local time close on the Karachi Stock Exchange.

Pakistan International aims to increase the fleet to 52 planes in the next five years from 41 now, as Pakistan's economic growth boosts air travel demand.

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``Our traffic is estimated to grow between 6 percent to 8 percent a year,'' Aleem said.

Pakistan's economy is forecast to grow 7.2 percent in the year starting July 1, quickening from a 7 percent pace in the previous 12 months, Akram Sheikh, deputy chairman of the Planning Commission, said on May 31. Growth has averaged 7.5 percent in the past four years, more than double the 3.4 percent pace from 1999 to 2002.

The company hired Zaffar A. Khan as chief executive officer in April to replace Tariq Kirmani, who resigned in March after the E.U. barred all but seven of its flights on safety concerns.

Demand for travel and tourism in Pakistan is forecast to expand 6.6 percent this year to 733.6 billion rupees ($12 billion), according to London-based World Travel and Tourism Council. The market is expected to reach 1.95 trillion rupees by 2017.

Pakistan International in 2002 ordered eight Boeing 777 aircraft in its biggest purchase. Deliveries will be completed in 2008. The airline, 88 percent owned by the government, is in the final stage of negotiations to buy new narrow-body planes to replace seven Boeing 737-300 aircraft, Abdul said.

At the end of March, Pakistan International had 13 billion rupees of loans that must be repaid within a year, according to its earnings report.

Pakistan International is expanding even as its loss widened to 3.95 billion rupees in the three months ended March 31, from 3.08 billion rupees a year earlier, because of rising costs. Revenue rose to 17.68 billion rupees from 16.84 billion rupees.

To contact the reporter for this story: Patricia Kuo in Hong Kong at pkuo2@bloomberg.net

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Re: Pakistan Air Seeks $532 Million to Fund Boeing Planes

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Anyone has info on which type PIA is contemplating to replace 737s ?

In my opinion PIA should go after newer variants of 737 family and they should say good bye to Airbus.
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The most obvious choice would be the 737-800 or a mix of 737-700/800. They're already operating the older version of the a/c so intimation with the new type should not be such a problem.
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Last I heard was a 737-800!
Although A320 is also in the equation but I doubt that airbus will be shortlisted!Again never say never.

I think,737NG will be the 737 replacement!
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jetranger wrote:Last I heard was a 737-800!
Although A320 is also in the equation but I doubt that airbus will be shortlisted!Again never say never.

I think,737NG will be the 737 replacement!
I sure dO hOpe sO...there is an interesting statement i read and i like it....

"if its not bOeing....i'M noT gOing" :lol:
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FMC wrote:The privatized PTCL ( Zaffar A. Khan) is reported to carry out a lay-off 22,000 employees. How many lay-offs expected in PIA? We can start off with the 7,000 personnel of PIA engineering.
I doubt that even privatization will effect the cockpit or for that matter crew at all.
Both are already running low on stocks!
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zerbaer wrote:VC10 .. I understand. Appreciate you not getting upset, as is very usual on this forum.
Good on yer mate, as we Aussies would say.
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jetranger wrote:Last I heard was a 737-800!
Although A320 is also in the equation but I doubt that airbus will be shortlisted!Again never say never.

I think,737NG will be the 737 replacement!
You r right, A320 would not be a wise choice for PIA since that would only help those who want to use PIA as training school and jump the ship to Airblue asap.
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The airline hired ABN Amro Holding NV to arrange the loans, M. Abdul Aleem, the Karachi, Pakistan-based carrier's chief financial officer said in an e-mailed response to questions. Pakistan's government and the U.S. Export-Import Bank will guarantee a 12-year, $470 million part of the loan, he said.
Ex-Im Bank will guarantee; for what consideration & to whom?
GOP, like the last time, must qualify & meet Ex-Im's mandatory requirements & schedules in order for any "guarantee/s" to be issued. There is, of-course, a one time fees (3%~4% maybe). The guarantee allows commercial banks to fund (not loan) the victims. Last time the funding bank was the Citibank - Now its European banksters turn.

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