Ex-PIA/MNG A300 at KHI gone to Trade Winds Airlines

[CoyBoy]

The aircraft has been painted in full cargo airline Trade Winds livery and is parked at the same spot at KHI where it has been for the past year or more.

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1062015/M/

Also at KHI an all white A310-300 which was parked in a remote corner near Ispahani hangar is now inside the hangar probabaly to be painted.

Globe Jet L1011-500 still at KHI despite Hajj operations being over.

[Abbas Ali]

Thank you CoyBoy for sharing info. I guess MNG has sold A300 c/n 269 (TC-MCA - ex-AP-BEL of PIA) to Tradewinds Airlines.

I hope someone can confirm it.

[hjmemon]

but i thought they were very expensive to maintain,,,,, how come this airline is working up with it.....
man its all politics,,,, now they are behind 747s.....
after 2-5 years 777s and ATRs,,,,,,
then may be after 10 year,,, 787s or A380 or A350 whatever they buy....

[hjmemon]

and just got the news,,,,, MNG sold this 300 for 5 times more price for what PIA sold it to MNG.

[Amaad Lone]

A 24 year old A300 for $7.5 to $10 million, I dont think so.

Please ask your source, who paid for the cargo conversion work???

That would cost a pretty penny.

[CoyBoy]

Anyone know who the A310 belongs to its been in KHI for weeks, Aero Asia maybe?

[Hasson2k2]

and just got the news,,,,, MNG sold this 300 for 5 times more price for what PIA sold it to MNG.

my uncle use to fly the A300 for PIA told me the exact same thing...it's all politics

he told me that the A300 was one of the best aircrafts he ever flew and that almost anyone who has flown the A300 feels the same way

now you can accept this information or second guess everything that everyone says on this forum

[DEZI]

and just got the news,,,,, MNG sold this 300 for 5 times more price for what PIA sold it to MNG.

PIA sold the 6 aircraft fleet of A300s for US $10.2m.
Each craft fetched US $ 1.7m.Each engine was worth US $ 1.75m.
NOW calculate the price of one aircraft:
2 engines = US$ 3.50m
Avionics =[/b]US$ 3.0 mL/G and furnishings =US$ 2.0m
Therefore the price of one A300 B4=US$9.75m
Hence MNG and FlyAir got 6 A300s for the price of one
Q.E.D
It is therefore, quite likely that AP-BEL fetched 5 times it's cost price.

[zerbaer]

That will appear a minor & to some a forgivable theft when you consider & add the costs of replacement A310 aircraft (10 years lease) plus the wet leases this year & the year before.

Wonder who paid all the parking charges and so on for the year or more the aircraft sat with PIA.

[Amaad Lone]

PIA sold the 6 aircraft fleet of A300s for US $10.2m.
Each craft fetched US $ 1.7m.Each engine was worth US $ 1.75m.
NOW calculate the price of one aircraft:
2 engines = US$ 3.50m
Avionics =[/b]US$ 3.0 mL/G and furnishings =US$ 2.0m
Therefore the price of one A300 B4=US$9.75m
Hence MNG and FlyAir got 6 A300s for the price of one
Q.E.D
It is therefore, quite likely that AP-BEL fetched 5 times it's cost price

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Dear Mr.Dezi

Where did you get these prices from?? Is there a G.E. website which quotes the price of used GE-50E2 engines at $1.7 million each.

PIA paid $40 million for each for the first four brandnew A300s in 1980.

In 1985 PIA got two year old AP-BCJ for around $26 million.

In 1983 PIA got an eight year old DC-10-30 from Alitalia for $17.5 million, list price for a brandnew DC-10 in 1975 was around $40 million.

At the same time when the Alitalia DC-10 was bought, PIA got its fifth A300 from Hapag Lloyd, at around $22 million for the four year old aircraft.

With all these number floating around i refuse to belive that a fleet of six A300s, with an average age of 23-24 years could have fetched PIA $60 million, or around $10 million per aircraft.

When PIA lost AP-BCJ in Dubai, it was 18 years old, and PIA got $5 million from the insurance company, but that was an 18 year old plane versus 23 years which the PIA A300s were averaging in 2005 when they were sold to MNG.

I would love to know the source of Mr.Dezi, where he got such accurate price information, maybe I am wrong after all.

If these six planes were so great, how come five of them never managed to get a Turkish airworthy certificate, resulting in there scrapping at JIA.

[FMC]

The figures quoted by Mr. Dezi were made available to the Senate Standing Committee on Defence matters by Rasheed Hassan, ex-SVP Corporate Planning, and quoted in the press reports of 2005-2006.
The scrapped A300s(two) were bought by FlyAir for the purpose of parting out. Rest of the 4 A300s are registered in France/Turkey and are very much active.
''Tum jism ke khhush rung libasson pe ho nazaan
mein rooh ko mohtaaj-e-kafan dekh raha hoon''

[Abbas Ali]

Except ex-AP-BEL, all other A300s, after parting out, were broken-up & scrapped at Karachi Airport.

[DC10]

The figures quoted by Mr. Dezi were made available to the Senate Standing Committee on Defence matters by Rasheed Hassan, ex-SVP Corporate Planning, and quoted in the press reports of 2005-2006.
The scrapped A300s(two) were bought by FlyAir for the purpose of parting out. Rest of the 4 A300s are registered in France/Turkey and are very much active.
''Tum jism ke khhush rung libasson pe ho nazaan
mein rooh ko mohtaaj-e-kafan dekh raha hoon''

To my knowledge these planes were bought for cannibalization. In this guise MNG aircraft were flown into pakistan and after swapping components from PIA inventory were flown out again. No one knows what happened to the A300B4 inventory.

[CoyBoy]

Today there were two Trade Winds A300F at KHI the ex-PIA/MNG one and another, both infornt of Ispahani Hangar.

Abbas that Saga A310 is supposed to be for Shaheen according to the other forum, however it was not at KHI today.