Senator claims passenger died on a C-130 flight

[Abbas Ali]

ISLAMABAD: The Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) came under sever criticism by the opposition senators on the admission of the authority that the CAA did not issue an airworthiness certificate for commercial passengers to the Pakistan Air Force for the route of northern areas.

Senator Enver Baig claimed in the Senate Defence Committee meeting on Thursday that one passenger while travelling to the Northern Areas died due to non-availability of an oxygen mask on C-130 aircraft. However, his claim was denied by the officials of the Ministry of Defence, saying that no such incidence took place.

The CAA pleaded that the PAF did not approach them, but the senators were of the view that being a regulatory body it was the CAA that should have taken note of it. The CAA said that the C-130 flights on PIA F-27 routes are not being conducted as public transport flights and are being conducted as charter flights as such approval for the inclusion of C-130 aircraft in PIA operations’ specifications is not required.

CAA officials also replied that C-130 aircraft are owned by the PAF and operating in civil and military airfields both on domestic and international routes/airports, carrying personnel and cargo.

The PAF is maintaining these C-130 aircraft in sound worthiness conditions and as long as aircraft do not fly above 25,000 feet dropdown oxygen masks are not required. Since flying into the Northern Areas is based on the visual flying rules, flying above 25,000 feet does not serve any purpose.

Furthermore, they stated that very important defence personnel and their families travel frequently on C-130 aircraft and the charter operation with C-130 on PIA F-27 routes has been insured to cover passengers, cargo and third party liability, which proves that these aircraft are very sound, airworthy and safe for passengers.

Source: The News

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[Moin]

Who wouldn't die if they're expecting to fly on a commerical airliner and ended up in a C-130.

[TAILWIND]

Who wouldn't die if they're expecting to fly on a commerical airliner and ended up in a C-130

Nobody went to your home to invite your majesty to take a trip on the herc......take a bus from PIRWIDHAI and rot for 20 hours in the cramped seat with 50 more passengers and enjoy

[FMC]

PIA's C-130 operations. What are the civil aviation regulations regarding revenue/passenger flights by a scheduled carrier for this type of plane?

[TAILWIND]

.....What are the civil aviation regulations regarding revenue/passenger flights by a scheduled carrier for this type of plane

Not knowing the exact legel position, I doubt if these PAF C130 flights come under CAA perview. This a welfare measure by the govt for the people of northern areas due to PIA's inability to operate to these destinations. I will categorise these like humanatarian flights by army choppers to evacuate earthquake victims.
In my knowledge these flights are being ooperated under PAF regulations....

[FMC]

Not knowing the exact legel position, I doubt if these PAF C130 flights come under CAA perview. This a welfare measure by the govt for the people of northern areas due to PIA's inability to operate to these destinations. I will categorise these like humanatarian flights by army choppers to evacuate earthquake victims.
In my knowledge these flights are being ooperated under PAF regulations....

TAILWIND, Then why does PIA charge money from the passengers?

[FULLTHRUST]

.....What are the civil aviation regulations regarding revenue/passenger flights by a scheduled carrier for this type of plane

Not knowing the exact legel position, I doubt if these PAF C130 flights come under CAA perview. This a welfare measure by the govt for the people of northern areas due to PIA's inability to operate to these destinations. I will categorise these like humanatarian flights by army choppers to evacuate earthquake victims.
In my knowledge these flights are being ooperated under PAF regulations....

You are very right TAILWIND........

There are no CAA regulations on ANY kind of PAF operations, in fact they rule the northern operations themselves (I mean the air traffic control as well, CHERAT CONTROL)...............they THINK they are superhumans..........NO they are not. It is beyond my consumption, that PIA is charging to passengers and they travel in hercs. What is that? I would say, people at high level have made it like their personal endeavors, YAAR DO AIK JAHAZ TO DAY DAINA NORTHERN OPERATIONS KAY LIYAY.

People are VERY VERY WELL CONNECTED at HIGH level to SAVE EACH OTHERS SEATS!!!!

[TAILWIND]

Fullthrust Wrote

....in fact they rule the northern operations themselves (I mean the air traffic control as well, CHERAT CONTROL)

Its not only PAF, all the airforces in the world rule the nations skies from air defence point of view. The are the big brothers watching on the radar screens in under ground bunkers 24/7 all the aircraft movement in and close to our boundaries (ADIZ)

As far as CHERAT CONTROL is concerned it is basically established to regulate the air traffic in that area (120 miles circle centred at Attock) because of close proximity of a number of PAF flying training areas, (Risalpur, KAmra, Mianwali and Peshawar). Though manned by PAf personnel, its like any other area control, nothing PAF in that On your way to north, Gilgit, Skardu or even China, you contact Cherat after crossing TIPOM and once out of FL 240 you are passed to Lahore. But mostly, for flights to Gilgit and Skardu, you remain with Cherat as long you can hear them or voceversa and then contact ATC when in the valley......so no need to wory about that...

...............they THINK they are superhumans..........NO they are not

Could you elaborate????

[FULLTHRUST]

Could you elaborate????

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