PIA Fokker Down in Multan

umar744 · Post by **umar744** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:49 pm

salam hello friend
today i am good lucky found ONLY last ONE picture my photography of AP-BAL cockpit with Capt.Farrukh Cheema flew from Lahore to Islamabad PK612 on Tuesday 14th November 1995. I tried to put picture here but failed I sent to history of pia will put photo here soon. you can see it.
I had video tape filmed of AP-BAL but sad my video tape damaged disappointed it but my late Aijaz Karim did copy it and i dont know if his family has keep video tape copy or not.
with love
umar

mohammed younis · Post by **mohammed younis** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:56 pm

Here are 6 pics from the bbc webpage

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/5165334.stm

bravo45 · Post by **bravo45** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:15 pm

Moin wrote:Wouldn't that be considered a demotion of sorts?

Quite to the contrary, its a promotion from a F/O to a Captain. When one first becomes a F/O you start with Fokkers and go up. Then as you become a Captain, you again start with the Fokker and rise up. Its the usual ladder up.

I don't have any doubt this was the last Fokker revenue flight. The replacements are arriving already, this aircraft was already flying its last flights even if this tragedy had not occured.

Aftab PK786 · Post by **Aftab PK786** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:52 pm

Asalamulkium,

INNA-LILLAHI-WA-INNA-ILAIHI-RAJI-UN. Very sad brothers. I feel the pain and my heart is with my brothers, sisters, mums and dads who have lost thier love ones. May Allah Saban Allah bless thier souls, put them in heaven, unite thier familes and give their familes patience.

AMEEN

Charliedelta11 · Post by **Charliedelta11** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:00 pm

i've heard the fokkers have bn grounded...as has been declared by the PM and SC....was announced on geo some time back..no fokker will be allowed to fly anymore...

and i just heard that the F/o had no family in pakistan..his brothers and sisters and parents are all in saudi arabia..i'd hate to see what they must have gone through after learning abouyt this tragic loss...my allah give them the ability to bear this loss..ameen..

and this should be a tight slap on the face for all those government officials who had been griping all these years over what airacraft should be purchased to repace the ageing F27...

Abbas Ali · Post by **Abbas Ali** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:03 pm

Some old photos of ill-fated AP-BAL

AP-BAL at Islamabad Airport in 1987.

AP-BAL flying under the command of Capt. Farrukh Cheema from Lahore to Islamabad as flight PK-612 on November 14, 1995 - Copyright Umar Anis

AP-BAL at Chitral Airport - Copyright Arif Khan

More photos of PIA AP-BAL flight to Chitral by Arif Khan are here:
http://www.pbase.com/arifakhan/chitral

Abbas Ali · Post by **Abbas Ali** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:09 pm

PIA officials have denied reports by a private news channel about grounding of Fokker flights. The airline says Fokkers will remain in service.

PK777 · Post by **PK777** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:23 pm

Abbas Ali wrote:PIA officials have denied reports by a private news channel about grounding of Fokker flights. The airline says Fokkers will remain in service.

Same here i just heard the same on ARY Oneworld.

Inna Lilahi wa ina elayhee Rajeoon.

My sincere condolences to the families of the victims on AP-BAL.

khwateenohazraat · Post by **khwateenohazraat** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:24 pm

Dear All,

I would just like to take this opportunity to express my sorrow and grief for the families of the Shaheed of this terrible disaster. Allah sab ko tassallee atta farmaey, Ameen.

On another note, the reporters on Geo TV, were mentioning that many questions have been thrown up about PIA and its maintenance, management, etc. people will want answers to many questions. I hope PIA answers them and rectifies the situation that led to this.

KH

Moin · Post by **Moin** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:32 pm

Can the victims of this disaster be correctly classified as shaheed? Doesn't one become shaheed or martyr when they die for a cause? These people had no intention of dying for any reason whatsoever, so I doubt they can be called shaheed.

If you slipped on a banana peel and died breaking your neck, would that make you a shaheed?

khwateenohazraat · Post by **khwateenohazraat** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:45 pm

Moin,

As far as i am aware, those that also die in an accident like this are also considered Shaheed. There are a few other situations where people are considreed Shaheed (maybe somenone more knowledgable will be able to give more exact information), its not only if you die in battle or for a cause. Allah ki rehmat bey inteha haiN!

Moin · Post by **Moin** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:48 pm

I'd still like to know, how many Fokkers now left in the fleet?

Abbas Ali · Post by **Abbas Ali** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:58 pm

Moin wrote:I'd still like to know, how many Fokkers now left in the fleet?

Six.

Karachi Base
1. AP-BDB
2. AP-BDR
3. AP-BHF (Leased F-27-500)

Islamabad Base
1. AP-BAO
2. AP-BCZ
3. AP-BDQ

Info source: forum members AN and faruqui.
Topic Link: viewtopic.php?t=6007&start=15

Gulistan · Post by **Gulistan** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:09 pm

Inna lillahy wa inna ilahay rajeoon.

umair_ayaz · Post by **umair_ayaz** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:14 pm

Alas! After more than a decade of fair level flight safety by PIA, this tragedy occurred. I pray to Allah to rest souls of the deceased in eternal peace (A ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‹Å“men). A great human loss above everything, may God grant even patience to family & relatives of the victims to bear it with fortitude & tolerance.

Blame game is old habit of our masses and unfortunately, some of the private channels are adding fuel to fire by such non-professional and tainted reporting, what are they trying to prove?

PIA aging Fokker fleet is a concern, but theyÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ve already initiated Fokker replacement phase with induction of ATR-42s. Obviously, it will take time and no overnight changes should be expected. But, yes, I do agree that Fokker replacement issued was lingered on for years as I once heard of ATR-72 to be replacing F-27, which didnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t happen!

Anyhow, what had to happen, has happened and all I can suggest PIA officials is to have a quick re-check of their Fokker fleet especially of its engines as they are said to be not suitable for operation in hot and humid climatic zones. Especially in an arid city like Multan where temperature is creeping up near 50Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Âº! (Sorry for any rubbish statements regarding Fokker checkup as I am not aware of technicalities!)

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PIA Fokker Down in Multan

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