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EU Over flights BANNED

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Latest reports indicate EU has wised up to PIA's attempts to resume North American flights with the 747 by refuelling in Turkey, and have refused to allow the aircraft, previously banned from landing, overflight rights.


Im surprised it took them that long to realise this.
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FAA caught on earlier. What happened to the the infamous BAT flight in USA via Turkey isn't a secret.
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what exactly happened with BAT to usa via istanbul?
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Turkey trying hard to stress itself into EU was expected not to allow PIA fly via istanbul.

They just told PIA that they dint have slots avalible during the time period PIA wants to touch down henceforth only one PIA flght went via istanbul
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Would slots & standard arrangements also not be required by FAA as this isn't existing/established route? Have PK completed all essential formalities - They have been an airlline for half a century, they would know what is required. On the 9 March flight FAA inspection revealed maintenance/safety violations!
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On 18th March only 2 B747 flights optd. on domestic and regional route. Six B747 remained(kept) grounded.
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Can a 747 Fly from Pakistan to Rabat in Morrcco and then fly into NOrth America Destinations using the South America, Latin and Caribean land close proximity. Just a thought.
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... And jeopardize Morocco's status! You would know requirements when establishing new routes & schedules for a scheduled carrier.
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zerbaer wrote:... And jeopardize Morocco's status! You would know requirements when establishing new routes & schedules for a scheduled carrier.
Morocco is not in Europe, they don't need to appease anyone.
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It will be a fairly good suggestion if PIA could lease a few air tankers to get their planes refuelled in air and fly even their ATRs non stop to the Americas.
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EU to vote on US air deal that would boost trans-Atlantic flights — and C02s

The Associated Press
Tuesday, March 20, 2007

BRUSSELS, Belgium: Just weeks after the EU agreed on ambitious targets to reduce its contribution to global warming, it plans to back an aviation deal with the U.S. that it hopes will boost the number of people flying across the Atlantic — a move that will increase the sector's carbon dioxide emissions.

EU transport ministers meet Thursday to approve the "open skies" pact negotiated with the U.S. that would lift restrictions from Oct. 28 on what trans-Atlantic routes airlines can offer, in a move that should help cut air fares.

The pact will allow European airlines to fly from anywhere in the EU to any point in the U.S., shedding current strict rules that do not allow them to charge what they like.

The EU said this would reduce the cost of tickets, putting an extra 26 million people on trans-Atlantic flights. Just under 50 million travelers now fly those routes.

But that will also add an extra 3.5 million tons (3.56 metric tons) of CO2 to the atmosphere as the EU tries to curb emissions across the board and encourage the U.S. to do the same, the European Federation for Transport and Environment said Tuesday.

The group said it had written to ministers asking them to vote against the deal, saying it would "clearly be wrong to fail to consider the environmental impact of the open skies agreement."

It said the pact removes the main tool governments have to reduce CO2 emissions because it forbids fuel taxes on trans-Atlantic flights — in line with international aviation law.

Although aviation contributes a small share of the EU's overall greenhouse gas emissions — around 3 percent — the sector is growing rapidly as a wave of low-cost airlines have taken Europeans to the skies for bargain basement prices over the past fifteen years.

According to the EU's own analysis, emissions from the EU's international flights will have increased 150 percent from 1990 by 2012, cutting into more than a quarter of the EU's CO2 reductions as it tries to meet Kyoto Protocol targets.

This is why the EU's environment chief in December proposed to cap and trade all airline emissions — including international flights — from 2012, immediately sparking protest from U.S. officials who warned that this would breach international law.

But negotiations on the "open skies" deal skirted around this entirely.

An EU official, speaking under condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the issue with the press, said it could not be debated because the emissions trading program still has not been agreed with EU ministers and the European Parliament — and likely will not be until next year.

"It's very difficult to negotiate something which does not exist," he said.

He rejected the environmentalists' claim that the pact did not tackle environmental issues, saying it was "conscious about the problem with emissions" and both sides would seek the most fuel-efficient routes for flying the Atlantic and managing air traffic.

He said no studies had yet been carried out on how far these measures would go to cut carbon.

The EU has measured the impact of the deal in economic terms — claiming it will generate benefits of up to €12 billion (US$16 billion) in five years as ticket prices fall, airlines generate savings and the market grows. That would also create up to 80,000 jobs spread equally between Europe and the United States, it said.

But other officials said they could not estimate how the forecasts would be affected by other important factors such as governmental environmental initiatives like Britain's "climate change" passenger tax and higher oil prices.

The EU executive has said emissions trading would add costs to flights, claiming these would be minimal and far lower than recent oil price increases passed on to travelers.

But it is unclear how far these will go to cancel out any of the benefits of increased competition on trans-Atlantic travel.

Diplomats and officials were tightlipped Tuesday on British efforts to win a stay of execution for London Heathrow which, under the deal, would have to open up air traffic rights to other airlines outside of the four that now have the lucrative right to fly to the U.S.

EU officials insisted that the negotiations are a done deal and Britain cannot ask for extras — such as more time for British Airways PLC, Virgin Atlantic, American Airlines and United Airlines to enjoy their joint monopoly before new rivals emerge.

They said they would monitor U.S. efforts to make more concessions on opening up its domestic market to foreign investment .

However, opening up Heathrow will not mean a free-for-all as only those companies that already have coveted slots at Heathrow, Europe's busiest hub, will benefit until a new terminal opens up more opportunities to new carriers.

"British Midlands has slots. They would like to fly from Heathrow across the Atlantic. Aer Lingus has slots they cannot fly," the EU official said, mentioning smaller European airlines that could benefit from the deal.

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Russia Says It Could Ban Some EU Flights

March 16, 2007, 1:38PM
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MOSCOW — Russia's state air control service warned Friday that it might bar access to the nation's skies to several carriers from European Union nations because of alleged violations of flight rules.

The warning followed a decision earlier this month by the EU to restrict nine Russian carriers by allowing them to fly into the EU only "under exceptional circumstances and on the basis of tight checks."

The head of Russia's Federal Air Navigation Service, Alexander Neradko, sent a letter to Michel Wachenheim, president of the European Civil Aviation Conference, saying it might ban companies from flying into Russia because of what he said were violations of Russian flight regulations, said agency spokesman Andrei Pryanishnikov.

Pryanishnikov refused to identify the European carriers before receiving a response from the ECAC.

He said breaches in the Moscow region included 18 occasions when planes flew at unauthorized altitudes and five cases where flights crossed into forbidden areas, apparently as a result of insufficient crew training and discipline.

"Only thanks to a quick action of air traffic controllers and their urgent interaction with air defense forces was it possible to avoid dangerous developments with grave consequences over densely populated areas," Pryanishnikov said. He refused to give specific examples.

"If the EU aviation authorities fail to take urgent action to correct the situation, the Federal Air Navigation Service will have to refuse permission for flying into Russia's airspace to the carriers whose crews have committed the violations," Pryanishnikov said.

The Russian companies affected by the EU's restrictions are Aero Rent, Tatarstan, Atlant Soyuz, Aviakon Zitotrans, Centre Avia, Gazpromavia, Lukoil, Russian Sky (Russkoe Nebo) and Utair.

Russia's relations with the EU have been strained by disputes over energy and Moscow's ban on Polish meat and plant products.


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/fn/4637459.html
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How are the flights to U.S now being operated? I mean the stopover PIA is using?
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AP-BGL wrote:How are the flights to U.S now being operated? I mean the stopover PIA is using?
With B777s via UK.

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Abbas Ali wrote:
AP-BGL wrote:How are the flights to U.S now being operated? I mean the stopover PIA is using?
See Topic: PIA issues Revised Flight Schedule – Effective March 15
I see... I had the earlier schedule in mind which showed turkey as stopover for PIA flights to U.S. Thanks for the link anyway.
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