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Pakistan military jet crashes

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Pilot killed as Pakistan military jet crashes QUETTA, Pakistan, March 13 (AFP) A Pakistan Air Force fighter jet crashed near the southwestern city of Quetta Tuesday, killing the pilot, officials said. The Chinese-made F-7 jet was on a routine mission when it came down near its base in Quetta, an air force spokesman said. “The crash was fatal and an investigation has been ordered,” he said. Local police and rescue officials said the plane crashed in an uninhabited area and caught fire after hitting the ground. (Posted @ 11:50 PST)
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Is there any regulatory body which oversees the maintenance/overhaul activities of PAF? If there is none than PIA has already invited trouble by employing AVM and Air Comos.
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Can someone provide some stats about the number of PAF aircraft that crashed since january 2006? There is an unusual increase in the number of crashes. I think this is good topic for the forum to discuss.
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Apparently it was two seater FT-7 (trainer version of F-7) because TV news reports say one of the two pilots managed to eject safely, the second pilot, unfortunately, died.

Here's photo of the crashed aircraft:
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Quetta, PAKISTAN: Pakistani army and Air Force officials stand on the crash site of a Chinese-made F-7 jet in Quetta, 13 March 2007. The Pakistan Air Force fighter jet which was on a routine mission crashed near the southwestern city killing the pilot. AFP PHOTO/Banaras KHAN (Photo credit should read BANARAS KHAN/AFP/Getty Images)
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FMC wrote:Is there any regulatory body which oversees the maintenance/overhaul activities of PAF? If there is none than PIA has already invited trouble by employing AVM and Air Comos.
There is none. I would like to ask you, how did you come up with the conclusion of *trouble* in PIA by having avm and air cdre's.
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Fullthrust Wrote:
There is none......
There is a full fledged FLIGHT SAFETY Directorate at teh Air Headquarters with Quality Assurance and Accident Investigation Branches working under that. Evry incident, accident is thoroughly invstigated, scientifically analysed and remedial even punitive measures are taken... BE rest assured they are working... As far as frequent crashes, this has been dicussed in a previous post
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TAILWIND wrote:Fullthrust Wrote:
There is none......
There is a full fledged FLIGHT SAFETY Directorate at teh Air Headquarters with Quality Assurance and Accident Investigation Branches working under that. Evry incident, accident is thoroughly invstigated, scientifically analysed and remedial even punitive measures are taken... BE rest assured they are working... As far as frequent crashes, this has been dicussed in a previous post
That is after the fact!!

The original question was, is there any *regulatory* body which oversee the ops, so the answer is NO, "you dont need *license* to certify military aircraft. The *ENGINEERS* of PAF do not work on the aircraft, instead they just do the admin only. A few go to the aircraft and work, who have the passion.
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FULLTHRUST wrote:
TAILWIND wrote:Fullthrust Wrote:
There is none......

That is after the fact!!

The original question was, is there any *regulatory* body which oversee the ops, so the answer is NO, "you dont need *license* to certify military aircraft. The *ENGINEERS* of PAF do not work on the aircraft, instead they just do the admin only. A few go to the aircraft and work, who have the passion.
I REST MY CASE.
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Fullthrust Wrote:
The *ENGINEERS* of PAF do not work on the aircraft, instead they just do the admin only. A few go to the aircraft and work, who have the passion.
Well thats a bit exeggerated. To begin with what do you mean by 'Engineers Work' ? Even in PIA, technicians work and the senior engineering management supervises. The same is the case in PAF. Engineers in PAF do work. They sign off the ac. they are responsible for the airworthiness of the flight.
Over and above they are looking after the engineering management as well....If by work you mean that they open the nuts and bolts offcourse they dont WORK that way.
Without offending anyone let me explain "Engineers". In airlines you have AMEs, who mostly are not engineers (degree holders) in classic sense, rather have line experience and achieve their licences through exams on a particular aircraft or system. In PAF they have line or shop techs who are non-commisoned/junior commisioned officers (NCO/JCO). Engineers on the other hand are graduate engineers (Aerospace or Avionics). They have 'worked' through their training and initial days in squadrons but later on are focused more on supervision and managament.

Correct me if i am wrong
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TAILWIND wrote:Fullthrust Wrote:
The *ENGINEERS* of PAF do not work on the aircraft, instead they just do the admin only. A few go to the aircraft and work, who have the passion.
Well thats a bit exeggerated. To begin with what do you mean by 'Engineers Work' ? Even in PIA, technicians work and the senior engineering management supervises. The same is the case in PAF. Engineers in PAF do work. They sign off the ac. they are responsible for the airworthiness of the flight.
Over and above they are looking after the engineering management as well....If by work you mean that they open the nuts and bolts offcourse they dont WORK that way.
Without offending anyone let me explain "Engineers". In airlines you have AMEs, who mostly are not engineers (degree holders) in classic sense, rather have line experience and achieve their licences through exams on a particular aircraft or system. In PAF they have line or shop techs who are non-commisoned/junior commisioned officers (NCO/JCO). Engineers on the other hand are graduate engineers (Aerospace or Avionics). They have 'worked' through their training and initial days in squadrons but later on are focused more on supervision and managament.

Correct me if i am wrong
No offence TAILWIND, if an airline's AME is required to do *ANY* kind of job on any kind of engine or airframe system, he is *FULLY* capable of executing it by himself *independently*. On the other hand PAF engineers are 100% *GRADUATE ENGINEERS* and have little or *NO* hands-on experience, and that is why, are known as *GRACIA'S*.

I agree with you that airline AME's are not 100% *Graduate Engineers*, but in whatever quantity (graduate engineers) they are in, are capable of what I have explained in the above paragraph.
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Post by Valkyrie »

Thats a new jet. If i'm not wrong, 8 jets crashed last yr.

Can't blame the old airframe here but I'm pretty sure slipshod work and the financial constraint in procuring spares are the culprits too. When aircrafts like these F-7s go down (which are relatively new even when compared to the F-16s and comes from a more reliable ally) alot of questions will be raised.
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But the engineers at PAF have one consolation. The pilot ejects when he loses control of the plane. That is not the case with commercial aviation. An ATP cannot abandon ship in mid air-hence stricter safety standards.