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GLA777 wrote:Anyone know what will happen with the UK routes?
London
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Manchester
Birmingham
Probably the B777's should cover them. and also the B777-200ER AP-BHX should be with PIA soon.
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PIA is considering leasing passenger planes and crew due to a looming European Union ban on more than three-quarters of its ageing fleet over safety concerns, PIA officials said.

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I doubt the fact that PIA's maintenance standards and other checks they perform are lower in quality and credibility than those of Biman, Syrian, etc.

If you notice PIA has monopoly on routes from Europe to Pakistan. Maybe EU wants to restrict flights by PIA to let EU carriers to have a chance to fly to Pakistan?
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Amaad, Are you saying that the ban would not affect PIA operations negatively in the short run as PIA is in a position to manage this situation through reshuffling the routes of aircrafts?

Can we draw this conclusion from your statement that there is nothing to worry about this development in the short run.
I am not saying there is nothing to worry, but think PIA can cope better this time around with three new 777s in service compared to four months ago when BHV, BHW and BHX had not been delivered.
think Amaad is merely suggesting a short term, interim solution. No need for such bold typing. New a/c cannot be acquired overnight and neither can PIA shut down operations to one third of its route network. Leasing or even purchasing newer a/c can take several months, its not a question of days.
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I fail to understand how PIAs A 310 and B 743 fleet get banned from flying in EU airspace but there is no problem for Biman's DC 10 and A 310 fleet of which the former is way older than PKs B 747 fleet !!!
I think age is not the question here, as PIA A310s averaging 14 years are not that old. Its a question of maintainance practices.

Maybe European engineers checked PIA aircraft on ground, and found faulty repairs, or sub-standard work, causing them to belive that PIA is doing a bad job, and is a safety hazard to allow certain PIA planes into europe.
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BOEING777 wrote:
zerbaer wrote:Northwest Fleet

Notice they still operate 152 DC9s !!
Whats your point?

They only fly within the US and are obviously up to scratch with the FAA's requirements- whereas PK's soon-to-be-banned airplanes are not up to scratch with the EU laws.

There is a difference :roll:
Please review the laws you are thinking of & let us all know. On basis of your FAA approvals & certificates you are eligible to & apply for corresponding EASA/EU ones. Normally its a simple process of conversion. Please do look up the regs., its essential for understanding complex matters of this very different industry which needs the harmonious integration of numerous disciplines & extremely high expertise levels.

NWO is operating DC9s. You can look up how old those are & why the airline refuses to junk them.

As for the EC restrictions for PK aircraft, it includes one B777!
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zerbaer wrote:On basis of your FAA approvals & certificates you are eligible to & apply for corresponding EASA/EU ones.
Have a day off will ya?

Why would NW apply for EASA certificates when the DC9's will never fly outside of the USA? :roll:
zerbaer wrote:NWO is operating DC9s. You can look up how old those are & why the airline refuses to junk them.
...and thats more shame on PIA who cant even maintain 20-odd year old 747's and A310's, isnt it? Perhaps PK should ask NW how they keep their DC9's airworthy? :roll:
zerbaer wrote:As for the EC restrictions for PK aircraft, it includes one B777!
...and I care because? Im sure PIA has been aware of the impending EU proposed ban- its not like the EU would suddenly wake up one morning and decide to hamper PIA's operations.
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zerbaer wrote:As for the EC restrictions for PK aircraft, it includes one B777!
Is it one of PIA's first three B777-240ERs? and can we know its registration?
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None of PIA's 777's have been banned:

http://www.arabtimesonline.com/arabtime ... sgID=13358
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Implementation of the ban after March 8.

Europe to ban most PIA planes

By Sarfaraz Ahmed

KARACHI:
A senior official at the Pakistan High Commission in London told the Pakistan International Airlines headquarters in Karachi that the European Union would bar all PIA aircraft, except for Boeing 777s, from flying to 27 European countries after March 8 because of safety concerns.

“We have been told that except for the PIA fleet’s seven Boeing 777s, all other planes will not be allowed to operate in the EU bloc after March 8,” PIA sources told Daily Times while terming the EU’s reported move as “shocking and confusing”.

The sources said that a seven-member Pakistani team of PIA and Civil Aviation officials had just returned from Brussels, where they made a “successful” presentation to the EU’s Air Safety Commission on February 22. They said that in addition to this, last week, a three-member European Air-Safety Committee expressed satisfaction with the measrues taken by the airline to improve safety. “The team carried out an audit of our facilities and found that everything was in order.” Asked whether the airline would subject its aircraft to the Saftey Assessment of Foreign Aircraft Programme, they said the EU decision had created a lot of confusion, therefore nothing could be said.

“It was hardly three months ago that they cleared all aircraft for operations in the bloc,” they added. A foreign news agency earlier reported that a committee had decided to block all but seven planes of the airline’s fleet from flying to Europe for failing to meet safety standards. PIA Chairman and CEO Tariq Kirmani could not be reached for comment.

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As per law the director engineering should have an AME aircraft maintenance engineers license.This SVP has none.When EU ban was announced he was busy shopping in London.Kirmani was busy celebrating Basant.The team of goofs who were in Brussels for EU verdict came back saying all was well.This team was SVP.Engg. .01 chief engineer Cabin Maint,(youngest chief in history of PIA by bypassing all the capable engineers),01 Dy Chief Audits JAR (has 15yrs of PIA experience only including his trainee engineer training and has least qualifications.

When in an airline the incompetent management promotes people on basis of nepotism and favoritism.Denies the basic rights of its employees(denying medical , denying yearly increments) .When 04 senior Dy chief fall in from the sky bypassing everyone saying they are airforce aces and have come to improve system ,whereas they are misfits and highly non competent.What can be expected.Believe me all capable engineering personnel wanted this to happen.This is the outcome of hurting people who are sincere.
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FULLTHRUST wrote:There is something very fishy about this deal.

That *FISH* is no longer in PIA, (AVM Niaz)
That *FISH* is still haunting (MAKING ROUNDS) in the corridors of power in PIA and MoD!
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What PIA should do immediately is return all the leased A310 if they are not allowed by EU as well.

THere is no point paying for their lease if they cannot pay for themselves. PIA should replace its 747's with someother aircraft that is available as stop gap measure. But PIA needs to find permanent solution fo rthe long run quickly.
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Abbas Ali wrote:
zerbaer wrote:As for the EC restrictions for PK aircraft, it includes one B777!
Is it one of PIA's first three B777-240ERs? and can we know its registration?
It is the one that had shed it's pylon panels twice at Manchester. One was recovered in one piece while the other was run over by a taxying aircraft. It happened in October2006.
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Adnan Anwar wrote:What PIA should do immediately is return all the leased A310 if they are not allowed by EU as well.

THere is no point paying for their lease if they cannot pay for themselves. PIA should replace its 747's with someother aircraft that is available as stop gap measure. But PIA needs to find permanent solution fo rthe long run quickly.
PIA is bound to pay the lease rental and maintenance reserves for 10 years. You fly the A31L or return them is immaterial. PIA has been leeched.
The only safe exit is the B747 operations.
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F27 wrote:
Adnan Anwar wrote:What PIA should do immediately is return all the leased A310 if they are not allowed by EU as well.

THere is no point paying for their lease if they cannot pay for themselves. PIA should replace its 747's with someother aircraft that is available as stop gap measure. But PIA needs to find permanent solution fo rthe long run quickly.
PIA is bound to pay the lease rental and maintenance reserves for 10 years. You fly the A31L or return them is immaterial. PIA has been leeched.
The only safe exit is the B747 operations.
No leeching, every contract has a way out. Those legal contracts always have a hole in them as far the language is concerned. many interpretations and comrpehension when in the hands of competent lawyers.
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