question for you all

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thecoinyew
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question for you all

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do you think PIA should be 100% privatized or not? I would say yeah, there is a lot of corruption, mismanagement and other bad stuff, so I feel like, "If your airline is unprofitable because of the government, the only way to save it is privatization". The Indian government sold Air India to Tata, their airline is improving now, so if they can do it, why can't we? we can do it too!

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Tuti Fruiti
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The demise of PIA is mainly due to
1. Incompetent people who had nothing to do with civil aviation were brought to experiment like those from the Air force or ex-pats who were totally unaware of how aviation works in organizations like PIA and Pakistan. Resulting in the flight of talented people and the demolition of established practices that are the backbone of an organization.
2. CAA policies do not favor the growth of passenger travel as we have seen in neighboring countries. The results are evident Pakistan has a fleet of like 40 civil aircraft and India stands at 720 with hundreds on order.
3. When the organization is experimented with, corruption and all other bad practices set in. Basically, corruption is a by-product of the destruction and demolition of an organization and its established rule set.

As far as privatization goes, it can be done but will the government allow it as the largest amount of influential govt officers and political people travel free in it? PIA aircraft are mercilessly employed to transport UN troops rather than serving domestic passengers. Govt will never truly privatize it as passengers are not a priority.
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alot of discussions over decades. conclusion - who cares :)
thecoinyew
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Tuti Fruiti wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 9:50 pm The demise of PIA is mainly due to
1. Incompetent people who had nothing to do with civil aviation were brought to experiment like those from the Air force or ex-pats who were totally unaware of how aviation works in organizations like PIA and Pakistan. Resulting in the flight of talented people and the demolition of established practices that are the backbone of an organization.
2. CAA policies do not favor the growth of passenger travel as we have seen in neighboring countries. The results are evident Pakistan has a fleet of like 40 civil aircraft and India stands at 720 with hundreds on order.
3. When the organization is experimented with, corruption and all other bad practices set in. Basically, corruption is a by-product of the destruction and demolition of an organization and its established rule set.

As far as privatization goes, it can be done but will the government allow it as the largest amount of influential govt officers and political people travel free in it? PIA aircraft are mercilessly employed to transport UN troops rather than serving domestic passengers. Govt will never truly privatize it as passengers are not a priority.
adding to that, there is overstaffing.
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Tuti Fruiti wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 9:50 pm The demise of PIA is mainly due to
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2. CAA policies do not favor the growth of passenger travel as we have seen in neighboring countries. The results are evident Pakistan has a fleet of like 40 civil aircraft and India stands at 720 with hundreds on order.
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Which CAA policies? Can you kindly elaborate please?
Thanks.
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Tuti Fruiti
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1) The price tags on all activities from licensing to airport operations to taxes make the business case very unviable for airlines. Thats one biggest repulsive forces for airlines not coming to Pakistan in numbers as one shud expect
2) Very hard regulations / red tape to clear
3) Insurance issues with aircraft operating in Pakistan