PIA ATR Incident at Gilgit Airport

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No reports were made public that what happened to Ap-Bkw. What did the engineer or the maintenance guys do wrong .

The incident at Gilgit is not maintenance related. Engineer at Karachi and engineer at Rawalpindi cannot make the same mistakes at every station.

If a touchdown is desired at the threshold or few yards away in long straight in approach a stable and a smooth approach planning starts several miles far out from the threshold , not when very close to the runway and speed exceeding the reference speed.

In the European and American airline industry standards pilots are not sent back to sim or on actual aircraft for learning approach and landings ( not limited to approach and landing only )
once they are certified , they are shown the door out.
Airplane is flown with brain not with stick and rudder.


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No Technical Problem Found in Aircraft

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Regarding PIA ATR 42-500 (AP-BHP) incident at Gilgit Airport, Senate Standing Committee on Aviation meeting on October 23 was told that airline's internal inquiry found that there was no technical problem in the aircraft and the burden is on the pilot because she landed with high speed and she should have done a go around.

The committee was told that that the pilot is a thoroughly trained pilot and an instructor as well and there is no competency or experience issue. She, however, has been suspended till the completion of inquiry.

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Abbas Ali wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:02 am No Technical Problem Found in Aircraft

Regarding PIA ATR 42-500 (AP-BHP) incident at Gilgit Airport, Senate Standing Committee on Aviation meeting on October 23 was told that airline's internal inquiry found that there was no technical problem in the aircraft and the burden is on the pilot because she landed with high speed and she should have done a go around.

The committee was told that that the pilot is a thoroughly trained pilot and an instructor as well and there is no competency or experience issue. She, however, has been suspended till the completion of inquiry.

Source: urdupoint.com
What is 'internal inquiry'. Why should senate committee interfere once the accident investigation is underway as per CAA/ICAO regulations. How can airline give a verdict like this. Regardless of fact that it was or wasn't pilot's fault, they have given a guilty verdict.

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Pilot held responsible for PIA plane skidding off runway

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October 24, 2019

ISLAMABAD:
Advisor to President & CEO Pakistan International Airlines (PIA), Air Vice Marshal Noor Abbas informed a meeting of the Senate Standing Committee on Aviation on Wednesday that a pilot was responsible for the PIA plane skidding off the runway at Gilgit airport on July 21.

Discussing the issue, he said that though experienced and familiar with Gilgit airport, she landed the flight PK605 ‘hot’ (at high speed) with 50 passengers and crew members on board.

“We are waiting for a final report from the safety board,” the senior PIA official said, adding that some technical faults were also found with the ATR aircraft, but its brakes were fully functional.

The matter was still under investigation, he said.

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When asked about the PIA ATR that was damaged while landing at Gilgit airport on July 20, 2019, Minister for Aviation Ghulam Sarwar Khan said the plane is still grounded.

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TAILWIND wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2019 8:09 am
Abbas Ali wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:02 am No Technical Problem Found in Aircraft

Regarding PIA ATR 42-500 (AP-BHP) incident at Gilgit Airport, Senate Standing Committee on Aviation meeting on October 23 was told that airline's internal inquiry found that there was no technical problem in the aircraft and the burden is on the pilot because she landed with high speed and she should have done a go around.

The committee was told that that the pilot is a thoroughly trained pilot and an instructor as well and there is no competency or experience issue. She, however, has been suspended till the completion of inquiry.

Source: urdupoint.com
What is 'internal inquiry'. Why should senate committee interfere once the accident investigation is underway as per CAA/ICAO regulations. How can airline give a verdict like this. Regardless of fact that it was or wasn't pilot's fault, they have given a guilty verdict.
The English translation maybe corrected as "Inquiry" instead of "airline's internal inquiry", because it is not being reported by a technical person or entity. Said reporting media "UrduPoint" is not technically sound to report such matters.

But for general understanding, be noted that such investigation(s) always performed by Safety Investigation Board (SIB) along with pre-designated PCAA officials and designated member(s) from the operator of aircraft, involved in an incident or accident. SIB lead the investigation in accordance with the ICAO standards. Somehow, as per local laws PCAA is a semi-autonomous body reporting to the Federal Government through Aviation Division and SIB also report and work on the directions of Federal Government. Even SIB can not start an investigation until Federal Government provides a formal approval. Here, members of Senate's Standing Committee hold right to ask on behalf of Federal Government or as an independent authority as per Constitution of Pakistan.

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PIA to file insurance claim for ATR 42-500 registration AP-BHP declared damaged beyond repairs.

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And that pilot? Is she still flying or grounded till the investigation's report is out? Or no one knows.

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The quicker these aircraft go, the better. These planes are not safe under PIA.

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July 20, 2019, PIA ATR 42-500 (AP-BHP) Gilgit Airport accident report will be presented in the parliament and released to public, said Aviation Minister Ghulam Sarwar Khan at a press conference today.

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Abbas Ali wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:29 pm July 20, 2019, PIA ATR 42-500 (AP-BHP) Gilgit Airport accident report will be presented in the parliament and released to public, said Aviation Minister Ghulam Sarwar Khan at a press conference today.

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Report to be presented in the parliament on June 24.

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The Gilgit accident happened due to pilot error, the inquiry is in process and its final report will be presented by the end of this year, informed Aviation Minister Ghulam Sarwar Khan in the National Assembly today. The aircraft made approach from higher altitude.

Almost same mistake made by cockpit crew of PIA Airbus A320 flight PK8303 on May 22, he said.

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Aircraft captain also has a suspected CAA exam result in the list issued by the Aviation Division, according to news sources.

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