PM Seeks Report on Pilots With Forged Educational Documents and Pilot Licences Issued by CAA in Dubious Manner

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Just the double standard of Europeans and EASA. Three years ago about 870 plus pilots of Air India and pilots from other Indian operators were found having fake licenses. Air India was never banned in Europe neither EASA asked for the list of those fake Indian pilots.
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Squawk_1200 wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:57 pm Just the double standard of Europeans and EASA. Three years ago about 870 plus pilots of Air India and pilots from other Indian operators were found having fake licenses. Air India was never banned in Europe neither EASA asked for the list of those fake Indian pilots.
Was there a statement made on this subject by Indian Minister of Aviation in their Lok Sabha?
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According to news sources:

Pakistan CAA through PIA has issued show cause notices to airline's 34 pilots whose licences have been suspended. Pilots have been given 14 days to submit written reply. Pilots can also reply through personal hearing. Licences have been cancelled after forensic audit.

Licences of those pilots who fail to submit reply will be sent to the federal government for cancellation process.

Lives of passengers and public property cannot be put into danger, says Pakistani aviation regulatory body.

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Telephonic meeting/video conference between officials of Pakistan Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) and European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) scheduled to take place on July 9.

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Aviation Minister Ghulam Sarwar Khan informed the national assembly that:

Initial investigation revealed 28 dubious pilot licences that have been suspended.

Continued investigation revealed 26 more dubious pilot licences that also have been suspended.

And now 34 more dubious pilot licences have been suspended, he said.

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Just read one of the showcause notices sent to 34 pilots yesterday. The violation that has come forth is that why did he appear for an ATPL exam and leave for his base AFTER the exam on the same day. How does this make his license/exam suspicious? If any, the violation should be of two duties in one day but crew roster doesn’t cater to ATPL exams. If we start thinking on these lines then why are crew assigned on PK 304 or 308 to bases right after doing DGR/MED/CRM/WDRL/SDRL/REF in KHI. The court is gonna kick the prosecution’s ass if most of the cases are like this.
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A310 wrote: Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:59 pm Just read one of the showcause notices sent to 34 pilots yesterday. The violation that has come forth is that why did he appear for an ATPL exam and leave for his base AFTER the exam on the same day. How does this make his license/exam suspicious? If any, the violation should be of two duties in one day but crew roster doesn’t cater to ATPL exams. If we start thinking on these lines then why are crew assigned on PK 304 or 308 to bases right after doing DGR/MED/CRM/WDRL/SDRL/REF in KHI. The court is gonna kick the prosecution’s ass if most of the cases are like this.
Share the pic of show cause notice. You can hide the names and details that are not relevant.
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^As much as I’d like to, I don’t have the pilot’s consent. I’m sure all of them will be leaked on social media one way or another so just wait for a bit.
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The violation that has come forth is that why did he appear for an ATPL exam and leave for his base AFTER the exam on the same day. How does this make his license/exam suspicious?
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Only one question I shall ask very politely ,Is this the only allegation on 34 pilots . I am sure there must be something more to the story
.CAA may bring lot more evidence.

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As i mentioned previously, I was talking about one notice only. Yes in that particular show cause notice this was the only allegation. Can’t say anything about the other 33.
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International Federation of Air Line Pilots' Associations (IFALPA) letter to Prime Minister Imran Khan.

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List of Pakistani pilots sent by various countries to Pakistan CAA for licence verification:

UAE
Sent list of 54 pilots for verification
48 pilots licences verified

Turkey
Sent list of 19 pilots for verification
18 pilots licences verified

Malaysia
Sent list of 14 pilots for verification
All 14 pilots licences verified

Vietnam
Sent list of 11 pilots for verification
9 pilots licences verified

Bahrain
Sent list of 3 pilots for verification
2 pilots licences verified

Hong Kong
Sent list of 3 pilots for verification
2 pilots licences verified.

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Abbas Ali wrote: Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:45 pm List of Pakistani pilots sent by various countries to Pakistan CAA for licence verification:
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Are the balance licences still under scrutiny, or confirmed suspicious?
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The Aviation Minister in a talk show provided information only about verified licences from pilots' lists sent by various countries.

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PALPA to challenge list of 262 pilots in SC

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Pakistan Airlines Pilots Association (PALPA) is going to challenge in the Supreme Court (SC) the list of 262 pilots provided by the government claiming that they had suspicious flying licences. Federal Minister for Aviation Ghulam Sarwar Khan had told the National Assembly on June 24 that 262 pilots, out of total 860 pilots in the country, had suspicious flying licences and would be grounded immediately. Later on June 27, he in a press conference gave details of the 262 pilots. He had said that degrees of 30 more pilots out of the 262 suspected of obtaining dubious licences have turned out to be fake and they have been terminated.

The minister had said that out of the overall pilots who were alleged to have dubious credentials, 141 of them belong to the PIA while nine of them work for Air Blue and Serene Air. They are grounded immediately, he had said.

According to the minister, the forensic inquiry revealed that 121 of the pilots got their licences by cheating in one exam paper; 39 in 2 exam papers; 21 in 3 exam papers; 15 in 4 exam papers; 11 in 5 exam papers; 11 in 6 exam papers, 10 in 7 exam papers and 34 pilots in 8 exam papers.

The PALPA, however, while rejecting the list of 262 pilots provided by the government said that the list is not authentic and decided to challenge it in the Supreme Court. “We have consulted with the senior lawyers and will challenge the list in the Supreme Court soon”, Captain Chaudhry Salman Riaz, President PALPA confirmed to The News on Wednesday.

He termed the figures of 141 pilots as claimed by the government that they belong to Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) as suspicious. He said that out of 141, 39 pilots have already left the PIA while 4 pilots embraced martyrdom in different incidents. Similarly, he said that names of 29 other pilots are also not authentic.

The PALPA president said that the government did not provide them the said list of 262 pilots whose licences as claimed by the government are suspicious. He said that they got the list from the Licensing Branch of Civil Aviation Authority, adding that the said branch keeps the whole record. Capitan Chaudhry Salman Riaz said that instead of taking list from the said branch, the government took the list from Aviation Division.

Meanwhile, Captain Imran Norajo, Secretary General PALPA said out of list of 262 pilots, they have so far received list of 171 pilots belonging to PIA, Shaheen Air, Air Blue and Serene Air but expressed grave concerns that still they have not yet been provided list of remaining 91 pilots. “We have requested the concerned authority to provide the list of the remaining 91 pilots but so far we did not get it”, PALPA secretary said.

Meanwhile, he too confirmed that they will file a petition in the Supreme Court either on the day, the apex court resume the suo moto case taken on the said matter or before it challenging the list of 262 pilots claimed by the government that their flying licences are suspicious.

It is pertinent to mention here that Chief Justice of Pakistan Justice Gulzar Ahmed on June 25 while heading a five-member bench hearing suo moto case regarding COVID-19 had taken notice of the pilots with fake licences.

Source: The News
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