PIA ATR Collides With Grounded Shaheen Air Boeing 737 at Karachi Airport

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Abbas Ali wrote: Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:51 pmFrom initial inspections it looks like PIA ATR 72-500 (AP-BKW) is damaged beyond repair or beyond economical repair.
I wouldn't be surprised if this were true. The picture in the very first post of this topic already shows indications of severe structural damages, most notably that hole near the wing spar. I doubt there's any facility in pakistan capable of (properly) doing that kind of repair work. Guess they'll end up using the airframe for spares.
Abbas Ali wrote: Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:11 pmProbably fuel leaking from ATR targeted by firefighters?
Looks like it, and if true it's yet another less than brilliant idea. Jet fuel has a lower density than water, so it'll just float around an increasingly large area on top of the sprayed water while still very much flammable...
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Abbas Ali wrote: Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:51 pm According to news sources:

From initial inspections it looks like PIA ATR 72-500 (AP-BKW) is damaged beyond repair or beyond economical repair. The turboprop aircraft's left wing is bent and damaged badly.

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Vaqar Khan wrote: Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:47 pm
Abbas Ali wrote: Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:51 pm According to news sources:

From initial inspections it looks like PIA ATR 72-500 (AP-BKW) is damaged beyond repair or beyond economical repair. The turboprop aircraft's left wing is bent and damaged badly.

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Will someone please put poor PIA out of its misery. Shockingly lax regard for safety with only a handful of aeroplanes.

It's not a national asset anymore its a liability!

Sad state of affairs for aviation in Pakistan. If the failed breaks on the aircraft wont finish you off, the boarding bridge will!
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Lets see when PALPA issues a statement of standing behind the culprits :D :D :D
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Why should PALPA be issuing any of this statement when you have The ultimate mafia SAEP standing behind the Engineers already, by giving a wrong picture to the media that the aircraft hit the Shaheen aircraft during taxi and it had passengers onboard.Lets be very clear that BKW was grounded for more then couple of months and it recently had an engine replacement. During a routine Engine Test Run by the engineers the aircraft moved more then 100 feet and collided with the aircraft. The aircraft was suppose to go on a test flight the next morning
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Maybe PIA should ask the bois at Karma to have a look, you never know they might be able to fix her up!
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This is not a "slight hit". It appears as if a "chota" in the workshop was assigned the duty who had no idea of what to do. It is not even a case of misjudged clearance but this is completely running into another aircraft.

Perhaps an intentional "accident" to hide something? or someone taking revenge?
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This guy will get a Promotion and become DCE of Line II.

This is what happens in PIA.

or if by chance he gets fired which is not probably going to happen he will be Brought back in PIA with medals when PPP comes in power.
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Final Investigation Report by Safety Investigation Board (SIB) on Pakistan Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) website: https://www.caapakistan.com.pk/Upload/S ... IB-417.pdf

4.1 Findings.

4.1.1 The aircraft was grounded on 31 August 2018 (since last 84 days) primarily for Check'A' maintenance which takes generally 02 working days to complete.
4.1.2 During this grounding of the aircraft, components including engines, propellers and brake assemblies etc were taken out to fill up deficiencies on other aircraft in PIAC.
4.1.3 The engineering staff towed the aircraft and conducted this high performance ground run with major deficiencies in maintenance as well as documentation.
4.1.4 Non-standard / incompatible set of wheel chocks (smaller than recommended) were placed for nose, left and right wheels. The wheel chocks used for the nose wheel were meant to be used for a GPU and not for the aircraft ground run. No chocks were placed behind the main wheels. The chocks recommended by the OEM were never demanded / procured by PIAC since induction of the ATR.
4.1.5 The High Pressure hydraulic lines were required to be subjected to bleeding / purging after replacement of brake assemblies. The activity was documented but was either not performed at all or was performed in an inadequate manner.
4.1.6 The hydraulic lines remained filled with air and there was very little hydraulic fluid in the system. Consequently, the normal as well as emergency brakes were not effective.
4.1.7 The brake pressure throughout engine performance run-up was recorded between 39-45 psi whereas it was required to be 3000 psi.
4.1.8 Nose wheel steering was not made available.
4.1.9 The aircraft initially moved rearwards by 10 feet during a planned maintenance task of Thrust Reversal Check.
4.1.10 Seeing this reanruard movement of the aircraft, the ground run operator (being in panic) shifted the power level to Flight ldle position instead of moving it to Ground ldle or moving Condition Lever to shutoff position.
4.1.11 In the absence of effective wheel brakes, proper sized wheel chocks, and nose wheel steering; and in the presence of designed thrust at Flight ldle position, the ground run operator could not control the aircraft. The aircraft continued forward movement for about 450 ft, and came to a stop after colliding with two dormant aircraft belonging to SAL
4.1.12 The evidence of low hydraulic level in the reservoir was found alleviated next morning. A strainer in the filling neck of hydraulic reservoir, which was missing after the accident, was found to be in place next morning.

4.2 causes of occurrence. The occurrence was caused due to: -

4.2.1 Non-adherence to the laid down maintenance procedures by PIAC - in which important task of bleeding / purging of brake system was either not performed or was performed in an inadequate manner.
4'2.2 Deficiency in required maintenance support equipment at the organization level - in which recommended wheel chocks were not procured and therefore were not available for use.
4.2.3 Lack of professionalism of maintenance crew of PIAC in which the maintenance engineer was unable to judge situation correctly and could not
initiate a corrective action at an early stage.
4.2.4 lnadequate assessment process for authorization of technical personnel for engine ground run-up of ATR aircraft.

5. SAFETY RECOMMENDATIONS

M/s PIAC is required to ensure compliance of OEM requirements and approved company procedures in letter and spirit essentially required for conducting high performance grou nd run-ups.

M/s PIAC is required to ensure an immediate procurement of the OEM recommended chocks in adequate quantity at all applicable stations for the ATR aircraft.

M/s PIAC is required to revisit the in-vogue procedure for issuance of the license for ground run-ups for the engineers. ln this regard, it is recommended that practical evaluations may be done on the aircraft prior to issuing ground run permits.

All currently licensed ground run-up operator's of PIAC may be re-assessed by including practical evaluations on the aircraft.

M/s PIAC is required to ensure that in the event of any serious incident / accident, the evidence is adequately preserved and secured.

Directorate of Airworthiness, PCAA is requested to undertake an audit of PlAC maintenance of ATR aircraft specifically for availability of support equipment, spares, maintenance practices, documentation and competence of personnel to perform critical maintenance tasks.

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This report does not mention the biggest cause of Incidents/ accidents in PIA. Which is Quota system. People with Zero interest,No Knowledge and Safety awareness get shoved in PIA in the name of Provincial quota.
I have seen People who haven't seen an aircraft in their lives before entering PIA premises.
This will continue forever.
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Why does this collection of incompetent idiots still hold an AOC?

Not only do they screw up even the most routine maintenance tasks, there's also the repeated destruction of evidence and other cover-up attempts. In this case by refilling brake hydraulics after the accident, in another report they got rid of (probably too old) parts instead of sending them for forensic investigation by the OEM. They should be held criminally liable.
Directorate of Airworthiness, PCAA is requested to undertake an audit of PlAC maintenance of ATR aircraft specifically for availability of support equipment, spares, maintenance practices, documentation and competence of personnel to perform critical maintenance tasks.
And who is auditing the PCAA, that failed to spot basic equipment missing at PIA for years?
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4.1.12 The evidence of low hydraulic level in the reservoir was found alleviated next morning. A strainer in the filling neck of hydraulic reservoir, which was missing after the accident, was found to be in place next morning.
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PIA’s spokesman Mashhood Tajwar told DAWN, that PIA had filed the insurance claim on an ATR aircraft which had been damaged beyond repair at Karachi Airport.

Source: DAWN

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SO this will be fourth ATR writeoff for PIA.
1st LAhore runway excursion
2nd Havelian fatal crash,
3rd (most likely) Gilgit runway overrun
4th, Gr Run incident Karachi.
Not an enviable record for any airline.
May be PIA to change type as ATR is proving to be a 'Bura Shagoon"