PIA ATR Flight PK-661 Crashes Near Havelian

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Re: PIA ATR Flight PK-661 Crashes Near Havelian

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Abbas Ali wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 9:06 pm
According to PIA spokesperson, completed crash investigation report of airline's flight PK661 is with the Aviation Division.

Government can answer better why the completed report has not been published/released, the spokesperson said.

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ATR operation should be stopped till releasing of report and remedial actions are taken as per the report keeping the passengers and crew safe


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Crash investigation report presented to Aviation Minister Ghulam Sarwar.

Report to be presented in the parliament on June 24.

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Re: PIA ATR Flight PK-661 Crashes Near Havelian

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جنید جمشید کے طیارہ حادثے کی عبوری تحقیقاتی رپورٹ بھی سامنے آگئی


کراچی (اسٹاف رپورٹر) چترال طیارہ حادثہ ،4برس بعد عبوری تحقیقاتی رپورٹ سامنے آگئی‘ اس حادثے میں ملک کے معروف نعت خواں جنید جمشید بھی شہید ہوئے تھے ۔ اے ٹی آر طیارے کی تباہی کی اصل وجہ اس کے انجن میں مینوفیکچرنگ فالٹ اور غلط مینٹی نینس تھی جس کی ذمہ دار طیارہ ساز کمپنی ہے تاہم اس سے بھی زیادہ ذمہ دار پاکستان سول ایوی ایشن اتھارٹی ہے جس نے طیارے میں نقائص کے باوجود اسے پرواز کرنے کی اجازت دی ،نشاندہی کے باوجود پی آئی اے حکام نے طیارے کو اگلی یعنی آخری پرواز کے لیے روانہ کردیا ۔تفصیلات کے مطابق دسمبر 2016 میں چترال سے اسلام آباد آنے والے اے ٹی آر طیارے کی تباہی کی اصل وجہ اس کے انجن میں مینوفیکچرنگ فالٹ تھا ۔ حادثے کی کسی حد تک ذمہ دار پی آئی اے بھی ہے کہ اس نے مذکورہ طیاروں میں مطلوبہ تبدیلیاں وقت پر نہیں کیں اور طیارے میں فنی خرابی ہونے کے باوجود اسے پرواز کی اجازت دی ۔

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Aviation Minister Ghulam Sarwar Khan today informed in the National Assembly that:

PIA flight PK661 crashed in Havelian mainly due to technical/engine problem experienced by the aircraft. The accident did not happen due to pilot error.

Its investigation is complicated, he said. The engine manufacturer Pratt & Whitney Canada has not reached a conclusion.

Inquiry is complete and sent to foreign agencies/organizations for their input. Report expected to arrive by the end of August and then it will be released.

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Aircraft cockpit crew also had suspected CAA exam results in the list issued by the Aviation Division, according to news sources.

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Re: PIA ATR Flight PK-661 Crashes Near Havelian

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Abbas Ali wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:53 pm

PIA flight PK661 crashed in Havelian mainly due to technical/engine problem experienced by the aircraft. The accident did not happen due to pilot error.

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Rubbish

Twin engine aircraft have engine failures everyday. They rarely crash.

Why wasn't this crew able to manage their energy and speed?

The one engine ceiling on ATR42 at high gross weights easily clears any terrain in that area.

Another poorly handled system failure which anywhere else in the piloting world wouldn't even raise a hair, yet the world's best pilots ploughed it into the ground.
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Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:25 pm
Aircraft cockpit crew also had suspected CAA exam results in the list issued by the Aviation Division, according to news sources.

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Re: PIA ATR Flight PK-661 Crashes Near Havelian

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Squawk_1200 wrote:
Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:30 pm
It is still too early for PIA and CAA to give any definite information about the reasons of crash. Even if PIA and CAA heard the combination recorders it is still early for them to conclude anything.

So far what has been revealed by secretary of aviation is, ruling out that airplane had an engine problem. Airplane,s both engines were developing 100% power ,This may be true looking at the graph and the flight path of airplane available over the internet free sites and by some independent sites , airplane performance climb gradient temperature and density altitude was normal ,aircraft reached cruising altitude and its time of arrival at destination was by the clock ,

If recorders reveal some thing that without visual reconstruction of the pieces of aircraft it will still take some time before SIB give out any information.

Fault developed during cruise , it could be a restart attempt to start the faulty engine in the air may have cause come thing catastrophic , propeller blades coming of the the hub hitting the fuselage or a debris hitting to T tail mechanism Rod or cables causing an airplane to go uncontrolled.

There were news that this airplane and the other ATR aero plane propellers were calibrated at PIA maintenance facility, PIA maintenance family was not equipped and had no approved apparatus and were not authorized to calibrate ATR propellers.




SIB words would be final and I dont think SIB will have anything to hide .
I came across my old post and I still believe one of this reason was also the contributing reason .
The only thing from pilots side could be failing to handle single engine inflight emergency if that was an engine out situation with no external or aerodynamic damaged.
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A friend told me the following.

One engine flamed out.

Second engine a minute later started going in reverse.

The plane dropped from 14,000 feet to 7,000 feet in a single loop.

Plane stabilized for a minute and then once again the engine went in reverse and the plane dropped like a stone.

PIA engineering killed the people on the plane. Poor engine maintenance.
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imiakhtar wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:57 pm

Rubbish

Twin engine aircraft have engine failures everyday. They rarely crash.

Why wasn't this crew able to manage their energy and speed?

The one engine ceiling on ATR42 at high gross weights easily clears any terrain in that area.

Another poorly handled system failure which anywhere else in the piloting world wouldn't even raise a hair, yet the world's best pilots ploughed it into the ground.
Please read Amaad Lone’s post. The Aviation minister tells you about the accidents in which pilots were responsible and you believe him.

He tells you about the accidents in which the pilots weren’t responsible and you call it rubbish.

Double standards much?

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A310 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:42 am

Please read Amaad Lone’s post. The Aviation minister tells you about the accidents in which pilots were responsible and you believe him.

He tells you about the accidents in which the pilots weren’t responsible and you call it rubbish.

Double standards much?
I have no bone or bias in this argument.

My expertise comes from 15 years of experience working as an Ops manager for BA.

An engine failed on an ATR42 on a relatively benign day. Like so many Fokker crashes before, the crew failed to handle what is arguably the most well practiced and trained procedure. To rub salt into the wound, the failure didn't even occur at a critical phase of flight.

Those are the facts. I didn't get that from a minister.

That there was a mechanical/technical flaw in the engine is contributory. The resposibility and main cause is pilot error.

I see no Airbus/ATR/Pratt telex or bulletins to operators nor are there any EASA/FAA directives highlighting the potential for reverse "thrust" on the remaining engine or the failed engine.

Amaad's post will have to remain in the unlikely category.

One tends to find ATC and PIA maintenance are the first in the firing line when these crashes occur, yet history always bears out the crews are the ultimate culprits. The world's best pilots folks. You better believe it!
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Pakistan CAA has submitted preliminary crash investigation report of PK661 in Sindh High Court. CAA lawyer has sought time for presentation of final investigation report.

Court has ordered presentation of final report on August 18.

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