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uzairali wrote:What I mean is, why not lease it to PIA or some airline until then?
do you think that's so easy?

firstly, the lessee (here Serene Air) will not allow the aircraft to be utilized by another company when the deal with lessor is finalized

secondly, there are no crew in Pakistan to operate Boeing 737-800 unless otherwise some 737 classic type rated crew go for training/transition which will of course take time for ground school/simulator training

thirdly, PIA is more active in filling Airbus 32x as replacement of Boeing 737 so why would they split the crew for short term to operate B737-800 ? Same is the case for Shaheen Air, which almost grounded all Boeing 737-400 classics except 1 -BJR i guess and replaced with Airbus A32x and Airblue is already an Airbus customer
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Not sure if it is just me or any body else notice that too, that HOP is now floating with "Wanna be" type of ideas and as result i can see that many of the real Airline professionals who use to contribute on this forum are now refraining to do so. I may be wrong, but this is my take on this.
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ammad wrote:Not sure if it is just me or any body else notice that too, that HOP is now floating with "Wanna be" type of ideas and as result i can see that many of the real Airline professionals who use to contribute on this forum are now refraining to do so. I may be wrong, but this is my take on this.
Unfortunately yes...I have to agree :(
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ammad wrote:Not sure if it is just me or any body else notice that too, that HOP is now floating with "Wanna be" type of ideas and as result i can see that many of the real Airline professionals who use to contribute on this forum are now refraining to do so. I may be wrong, but this is my take on this.
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Abbas Ali wrote:AP-BNA photographed on November 11.

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AP-BNA by planesguy, on Flickr

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First Bird AP-BNA, Arriving Karachi on Monday, 21st Nov, 2016. :thumbs_up:
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^ That's great news and hope to see AP-BNA sisterships also soon. Maybe AP-BNB, AP-BNC ....

BTW, here's photo of Serene Air cabin crew training.

https://www.facebook.com/sereneair/phot ... 875384720/

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ammad wrote:Not sure if it is just me or any body else notice that too, that HOP is now floating with "Wanna be" type of ideas and as result i can see that many of the real Airline professionals who use to contribute on this forum are now refraining to do so. I may be wrong, but this is my take on this.

As far as I know, when registering for forums, there isn't a section where you have to present your credentials.

"Real" airline professionals are not what make airline successful. Where does PIA stand today? Are you saying that PIA itself lacks "real professionals"?

I'm studying economics, and as such, I can apply economic ideas. Presenting you economics 101, there exists opportunity costs. As such, as when a plane is idling (waiting for gov't to provide certificate so it can fly), it is losing money, even though it is not flying. This airplane can be given on wet lease (Does serene air not have 737 pilots ready and crew that can fly for PIA? Perhaps its crew can fly along PIA and learn some experience). It doesn't even have to be PIA itself, the plane can fly for some other country or airline.

A brand new 737-800 on wet lease is a lot of money per month, at least $300,000. Of course that is not $300,000 pure profits, since the plane devalues as it flies.

Now this is from economist perspective. From a "airline professional's" perspective, it is: Perhaps Serene air needs the plane in Pakistan for 2 weeks in order to have inspection, so it cannot be leased during that time. Or Serene needs 3 airplane ready to operate (without it being with some airline) in order to launch its operation.


The point is, this is public forums and we come from all different spectrum. PIA itself does not only employ pilots or engineers among its ranks, but also it employs people who do not know the physics behind how airplane flies, as for they look at the financial sides or any other sides.

I will conclude by saying, present air canada CEO has a degree in law. Yet when he took charge, stocks of Air canada used to 80 cents. Today it's $13 a share. The airline continues to boost profits that "exceed" analysts expectations. And when he became CEO of air Canada, he only had 9 years of aviation experience.
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ap-bna has seat configuration of 189 all economy

dense with 30" pitch.
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On November 14, apparently for the first the time, AP-BNA performed flight with Serene Air three-letter ICAO code 'SEP'. It was one hour & thirty-four minutes duration flight SEP974 from & to Seattle Boeing Field with holding pattern also flown over Everett Paine Field.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ap-bna

The aircraft's flight with Serene Air ICAO code I guess also means that now it's handed over to Serene Air and is being flown by Serene Air crew. Its previous test flights were performed with Boeing three-letter ICAO code 'BOE'.

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Abbas Ali wrote:^ That's great news and hope to see AP-BNA sisterships also soon. Maybe AP-BNB, AP-BNC ....
AP-SEP as well.
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ammad wrote:Not sure if it is just me or any body else notice that too, that HOP is now floating with "Wanna be" type of ideas and as result i can see that many of the real Airline professionals who use to contribute on this forum are now refraining to do so. I may be wrong, but this is my take on this.
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Serene Air office at BBIAP, Islamabad.

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Their Phone number really fits to the Airline not only by choosing one that is just SERENE but also having the 737 into it =D>
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Hamad wrote:Their Phone number really fits to the Airline not only by choosing one that is just SERENE but also having the 737 into it =D>
Yes

I also hope such close effort is put on ticketing sales as well. At present, it is such a hassle trying to browse for airfare on PIA, Shaheen and airblue website. It is not very convenient and lacks features that major airlines around the world use.

I also hope serene air makes app for android and iphone for people to be able to make reservation, which can also be used for digital check in. While one can make reservation on 3rd party apps, they take some % as commission (hence low cost airlines do not sell tickets there often).

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Bluemax wrote: First Bird AP-BNA, Arriving Karachi on Monday, 21st Nov, 2016. :thumbs_up:
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