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705 Employees Per Aircraft Working in PIA

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Number of PIA employees: 18,331
Number of operational aircraft in PIA fleet: 26
Number of employees per aircraft in PIA: 705

Global average is 150 to 200 employees per aircraft.

Info Source: DAWN

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26? where did you come up with such a high number? sorry to disappoint you but theres no way 26 aircraft are flying.
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Active Aircraft Fleet:

8 777
1 747
5 310
4 ATR
3 320

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If not 26 then 36 or maybe 46? Still no matter, it makes little difference to a very high employees per aircraft ratio.
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hasan saleem sahab seemsto have a more accurate count.
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Re: 705 Employees Per Aircraft Working in PIA

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While there's no denying that PIA is seriously overstaffed, or rather dangerously overstaffed, but we must not forget that being a state owned corporation there's only so much that one should expect of PIA, or for that matter any other state owned enterprise. I always tell everyone that expecting a Singapore Airlines or Emirates like performance from a company that is owned/run by the extremely competent govt. of pakistan is a little too much to ask of the national flag carrier.

While PIA must not be absolved of its wrong doings, please also bear in mind that it is Pakistan International Airlines, i repeat it is Pakistan int'l airlines, the word Pakistan takes precedence over International Airlines hence don't be too disappointed. Like any other state owned company of Pakistan it is being managed and run just like the state itself.

It amazes me to see the govt. fussing over PIA's over employment conundrum, when it is themselves who force the airline to employ all these people most of whom are incompetent/uneducated unfit for employment even in these politicians' own businesses. But since the airline is run on public money, therefore it may be made to digest all these people. PIA has always resisted the government's idea of placing people in the airline but the govt. doesn't really seem to care.

Also while we are on the topic of excessive employment in PIA, it must also be understood that since the employee cost in PIA is well below the industry average somewhere between 14%-18% whereas the industry's average employee cost is between 32%-40%, therefore even if the airline gets rid of all employees it will only be taking care of a meager 18% of the problem. What happens to the left over 82% of the matter.

I'm in no way condoning the wrongs that PIA has committed, but requesting everyone to look at the matter in its entirety. It is a like father like son situation. While there are always exceptions, all state owned companies are in fact miniature state themselves. If the state is in a state of indecision and helplessness please don't expect its organs to be any different. Very rarely would you come across any airline owned by a state which is doing well while the state itself is at other end. If emirates and the likes are growing is only because their governments are also doing well. In our case the whole aviation industry is still in its nascent stage.

Just imagine a country with a population in excess of 220M has on any given day not more than 35 operational airplanes all Pakistani carriers put together. Our regulator the honourable Pakistan CAA has just been able to come to terms with the fact that their primary responsibility is to safeguard the indigenous aviation industry and not allow the foreign/gulf carriers to blossom at the cost of our industry's death.

We all agree that PIA is incompetent, but then who's stopping the private carriers to grow, why is it that there is not a single long haul flights being operated any of the private carriers of Pakistan. The Bilateral Air Services Agreements that Pakistan has with other countries also allow other airlines from Pakistan to operate to their countries. Why is PIA left to do the hard work. Why doesnt NL or PA operate to US, UK, Europe, Far East, why dont these carriers operate to on socio-economic routes like panjgur, pasni, ormara, sukkur, dea, dsk, kdu, why dont these carriers come forth in shouldering the responsibility of operating hajj flights.

These are questions for our regulator. Close to 70 years since the country came into being and our aeronautical authorities have not been able to create an environment which helps the local players grow. Who asked bhoja, hajvairy, raji, aeroasia to cease operations, certainly not PIA. after almost 25 years of service is this the best that NL can do, without a single long haul flight. Remember PA a decade back was heralded as the best thing to have happened to Pakistan aviation, well what happened to them now, just three narrow bodies in in their corporate colours, with other planes all wet leased, is PIA responsible for them too ?

If our CAA will allow open skies to EK this is what is bound to happen. How can we compete with the likes of QR, EY, WY, FZ, G9 all of which are subsidised by their authorities. If all was only wrong with PIA, then how come no major foriegn carriers operate to Pakistan. Has PIA stopped BA, SU, AF, KL, AA, LX, LH, AZ, MH, CX, etc and the list goes on from operating to Pakistan. These carrier have stopped operating to Pakistan as they cannot compete with these gulf carriers who have been allowed to have a field day in Pakistan.

Air India has always been on a burden on India, but how come their private sector kept growing, this is a question that needs to be put to the aeronautical authorities. I have had the opportunity to sit in ASA talks with countries, their authorities would never compromise on the commercial viability of their indigenous carriers. Canada has only 5 weekly flights to Pakistan, France has allowed only 4 flights or 880 weekly seats to Pakistan, Italy has allowed only 4 flights 2 each to ROM and MIL to Pakistan. Why dont these airlines open up their skies for us?

In order to understand how the business of aviation works, a good starting off point is the Air Service Agreements between governments which lay down the exact framework for airlines in terms of weekly frequencies, aircraft types, cities to be operated and traffic rights. Sadly Pakistan's ASAs appear to be flawed per se.
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21 plus six wet leased aircraft.

After the six wet lease aircraft are earning revenue for great people to fly with.

So the total is 27.
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