PIA might get B747-8

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Boeing 747-8 Intercontinental

The 747-8 Intercontinental is the only jetliner capable of carrying up to 450 passengers in a 3-class configuration over 8,000 nautical miles (14,816 km) at 0.86 Mach.
British Airways, Japan Airlines, Pakistan International Airlines, and Cathay Pacific are viewed as potential 747-8 operators, given their historical links with Boeing and the fact that none of them have purchased the Airbus A380 as of yet. British Airways CEO Willie Walsh has said he is glad the airline has not ordered the A380,"More cost-cutting needed, new chief Walsh tells BA." Osborne, A. While former CEO Rod Eddington has stated that his preferred 747-400 replacement program consisted of 747-8s and 777-300ERs.
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umar744 wrote:Boeing 747-8 Intercontinental

The 747-8 Intercontinental is the only jetliner capable of carrying up to 450 passengers in a 3-class configuration over 8,000 nautical miles (14,816 km) at 0.86 Mach.
British Airways, Japan Airlines, Pakistan International Airlines, and Cathay Pacific are viewed as potential 747-8 operators, given their historical links with Boeing and the fact that none of them have purchased the Airbus A380 as of yet. British Airways CEO Willie Walsh has said he is glad the airline has not ordered the A380,"More cost-cutting needed, new chief Walsh tells BA." Osborne, A. While former CEO Rod Eddington has stated that his preferred 747-400 replacement program consisted of 747-8s and 777-300ERs.
This might be extract from an old article as BA ordered a total of 12 A380 aircrafts out of which 7 are in service at the moment, first (G-XLEA) delivered in July 2013.
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Yes & then perhaps, maybe PIA would start serving the people living on the Moon. An airline which is slowly dying due to the corruption & bad business decisions would buy one of the most expensive aircraft on earth? I'd say "keep on dreaming".
The orbital speed of the Earth around the Sun averages about 30 km/s or 18 mps (108,000 km/h or 67000 mph).
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I guess PIA dont need 747 instead they should get fuel efficient A 320 make them operate on good yield making gulf sectors. This would make
them financially stable then later on they can think about expanding their fleet with other aircraft. But first they should get financially stable !
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PIA Boeing 747-300 fleet will be replaced by five brand new Boeing 777-300ER aircraft to be delivered in 2015 and it's a good decision in my opinion.

Btw, Boeing 747-8 has been struggling to attract customers.

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747-8 or A380 are very good for Haji & Umrah & peak season fly to 1st BHX 2nd MAN 3rd LHR for PIA but unfortunately PIA no money buy or lease 748 or 380. PIA try to get 77W next year inshallah
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guys wheres the $1.5 billion coming from to buy these 5 777-300ERs? Its not happening.
IMHO theyre better off taking the 10 dreamliner teen aircraft with lower range (not reqd by PIA) at half the price (under $100 mil each). they cant fill a 777-300ER most of the time anyways so its a useless aircraft for them. Smaller efficient aircraft running more frequencies and routes is the key.
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I guess you're entwined in the same grapevine of gossip and heresay that would claim that PIA was getting 10 A340 as well as the A380. PIA can barely stay afloat, let alone buy the new 747-8.

A better and much cheaper option might have been 4-6 ex-JAL/ANA 747-400's with GE CF6 engines which PIA could have overhauled and maintained in-house and operated in an all Y configuration with perhaps a small J cabin in Zone 'A' only and utilized on high density, regional, Hajj and scheduled Saudi Arabia flights, thereby keeping the 777's for PIA's prestige long haul routes. These ex-Japanese 744's would have been impeccably maintained and cost around $25 million each and perhaps serve another 7-10 years but again that is but a pipe dream.

The 11 terrible teen 787's would be a very good option as their range is limited by 1000 nautical miles less than current operating 787's and while those 11 planes were ordered with RR engines, the 787 is the first a/c in the world to be able to accomodate both GE and RR engines with only a 2 day modification to be carried out by Boeing and they can be equipped with either type engine, so all these planes would require would be a 2 day pylon mod and GE engines fitted onto them.
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AN wrote:guys wheres the $1.5 billion coming from to buy these 5 777-300ERs? Its not happening.
It's coming from foreign and domestic banks along with US government EXIM financing with Government of Pakistan guarantees just like it did for the initial 777 orders.
AN wrote:IMHO theyre better off taking the 10 dreamliner teen aircraft with lower range (not reqd by PIA) at half the price (under $100 mil each).
Firstly, the 787, whether it be the -8/9 has a max payload range of 5800nm which is about the same as the 777 which you're familiar with so it is equally a long range aircraft as the -200er/300er.
Also, whilst the 787 is good, can PIA wait 5+ years to get one?

I don't think they can.

MY opinion - buy or dry lease the A330-300 which is available within 2 years with the intention of buying the A330NEO.

Airbus like Boeing (777) needs to find customers for the current A330 to fill a production gap before the new engine option is in service. Furthermore, Airbus have hinted that given the A330 production costs are fully paid off, they would be able to offer the A330 current engine option and new engine option at discounted prices far greater than that of the 787.
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The 11 787-8's that I have menrtioned above are complete and ready for delivery. Some of them even have cabins fitted out in J and Y class.
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Moin wrote:The 11 787-8's that I have menrtioned above are complete and ready for delivery.
The reason nobody wants those terrible teens is because in addition to their overweight condition which is up to 10 tons, they are also non-standard aircraft.

That means that they will have different part and maintenance items that will need to actioned in the years to come.

Short term that's not an issue but long term as they go into heavy maintenance checks, they will be expensive.

That is why they are ideal as VIP aircraft where they won't be flying many hours and adding up on flight cycles.
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