Pakistani-American Flying around the world!
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On July 22, the aircraft took off from Pago Pago International Airport, American Samoa, at 9:50 PM for flight to Hawaii and crashed into Pacific Ocean around 10:15 PM, according to latest reports.
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smhusain_1 wrote:From what I have read in Dawn today, the total time of the father in light planes was around 1637 hours. Besides flying and navigating (GPS probably) there is the single engine aircraft to look after which brought them down. If they had succeeded, then of course the story would have been different but with no disrespect, it was too ambitious an adventure considering the experience of the father, Babar Suleman. It was nothing for the venture undertaken. Also Amelia Earhart stuck with the obsession of another record and carrying a professional navigator in a twin engine couldn't make it. These guys may have had the advantage of a handheld GPS.
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Allah may grant peace to the their souls.
Indeed very heart breaking to hear the loss of two fellow Pakistani pilots.
Some time luck fails . In the same days when Late Baber and Harris were flying around the world a 19 years old flew solo around the world , he made it home. http://kdvr.com/2014/07/15/teen-becomes ... the-world/
Indeed very heart breaking to hear the loss of two fellow Pakistani pilots.
Some time luck fails . In the same days when Late Baber and Harris were flying around the world a 19 years old flew solo around the world , he made it home. http://kdvr.com/2014/07/15/teen-becomes ... the-world/
Airplane is flown with brain not with stick and rudder.
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Very tragic indeed. The smilimg face of the young boy comes in front of your eyes whenever you read about it.
I havent been able to find details about exact circumstances of the crash. It has been mentioned somehwre that it happened on the take off from Pogo International in American Samoa. And this was the the last leg of thier journey. Pogo is in the middle of Pacific and distance to california is more thna 4000 miles, isn't a bit too long, perhaps they were too heavy with the fuel for this long leg?.
And the crash took place at night, were they planning a night time flying over the pacific????
I havent been able to find details about exact circumstances of the crash. It has been mentioned somehwre that it happened on the take off from Pogo International in American Samoa. And this was the the last leg of thier journey. Pogo is in the middle of Pacific and distance to california is more thna 4000 miles, isn't a bit too long, perhaps they were too heavy with the fuel for this long leg?.
And the crash took place at night, were they planning a night time flying over the pacific????
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That was not the last leg. They can't make it to California from Pago Pago. Intended Stop was in Hawaii. There is local newspaper for Samoa Island which have this story in detail.
http://www.samoanews.com/content/en/sea ... ar-suleman
If you click home, you can find bunch of different articles related to this incident, including statement from eye witness.
http://www.samoanews.com/content/en/sea ... ar-suleman
If you click home, you can find bunch of different articles related to this incident, including statement from eye witness.
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Search and Rescue has not yet found Babar Suleman, and black box, Family members arrive tonight on Hawaiian Air to Pago Pago Island.
http://www.samoanews.com/content/en/sea ... ar-suleman
I have feeling that they are under some sort of self imposed deadline to finish this trip as soon as possible. While reading blog i notice that their 30 Day deadline was slipped due to some food related problem. Any in my opinion food related thing put them under extra pressure.
http://www.samoanews.com/content/en/sea ... ar-suleman
I have feeling that they are under some sort of self imposed deadline to finish this trip as soon as possible. While reading blog i notice that their 30 Day deadline was slipped due to some food related problem. Any in my opinion food related thing put them under extra pressure.
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Even Hawaii is 2250 nm from pago pago, and at 150 knots (cruise speed) the flight time is over 15 hours!!!!. That is too much in a single engine, un pressurized aircraft and that too at night.ammad wrote:That was not the last leg. They can't make it to California from Pago Pago. Intended Stop was in Hawaii. There is local newspaper for Samoa Island which have this story in detail.
Just a spaculation, they had topped up all thier fule tanks for this long leg and were perhaps overloaded!
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On February 24, 2008, Babar Suleman flying 1977-built Piper PA-32R-300 Cherokee Lance (registration N2920Q) from Eagle Creek Airpark, Indianapolis, to Pittsburgh made a safe emergency landing on Interstate 70 (I-70) highway due to aircraft engine problem.
Some info on following link:
http://www.wthr.com/story/7917925/small ... ds-on-i-70
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Some info on following link:
http://www.wthr.com/story/7917925/small ... ds-on-i-70
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Hope authorities be able to find black box and body of his father.
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You have to factor in the night departure, whether there was a moon or not, any visible horizon. A seasoned pilot will be tested under such circumstances and there were gusty conditions reported. Flying so far may have created a circadian upset in the body as innumerable adjustments would have been required to recoup for further journey onward. Add all this to what I wrote earlier on the subject.
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If you mean FDR/CVR, i doubt the plane was carrying one. There is no legal requirment for small pistons to have these on board.ammad wrote:Hope authorities be able to find black box and body of his father.
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it seems like similar crash of Gulf Air A320 at Bahrain due to no clue about horizon, moon in the dark night; remember it is end of Ramadan so the moon will not be there or at least not appearing for longer time!
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Government of Pakistan has included late Haris Suleman in the list of Sitara-e-Imtiaz (Star of Excellence) recipients.
Awards presentation ceremony will be held on Pakistan Day on March 23, 2015.
Sitara-e-Imtiaz is Pakistan's third highest civilian award.
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Awards presentation ceremony will be held on Pakistan Day on March 23, 2015.
Sitara-e-Imtiaz is Pakistan's third highest civilian award.
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National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) Identification: WPR14LA309
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Tuesday, July 22, 2014 in Pago Pago, American Samoa (AS)
Aircraft: BEECH A36, registration: N20TC
Injuries: 2 Fatal.
This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed. NTSB investigators may not have traveled in support of this investigation and used data provided by various sources to prepare this aircraft accident report.
On July 22, 2014, about 2158 local standard time (0858 Universal Coordinated Time, July 23), a Beech BE A36, N20TC, crashed into the water after departure from Tafuna/Pago Pago International Airport (PPG), Pago Pago, American Samoa. The pilot was operating the airplane under the provisions of 14 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) Part 91. The private pilot and the pilot's private pilot rated father sustained fatal injuries. Only remnants of the airplane have been recovered. The cross-country personal flight was departing en route nonstop to Honolulu (PHNL), Hawaii. Visual meteorological conditions (VMC) prevailed, and a visual flight rules (VFR) flight plan had been filed.
One ground crewman and his wife met the pilot and his father at the airport to support the departure, and observed the pilot completing preflight checks. The ground crewman queried if they were going to depart, and the father replied yes noting that the weather was great. The ground crewman stated that the wind had been gusty and strong all day and evening. He observed the airplane taxi for departure, and repositioned himself so that he could observe the whole runway for the takeoff.
As the airplane moved down the runway, the ground crewman noted that the wind was very strong. The airplane became airborne, but it was moving up and down and side to side; it also was not gaining altitude. At this point, the airplane had passed the very high frequency omni-directional radio range, tactical air navigation (VORTAC), but was still very low. Before the airplane reached the end of the runway, it banked to the right towards the ocean. Over the next few seconds, the airplane kept getting lower, and then disappeared. He did not observe it contact the water; he only saw the lights getting lower and lower. He observed no explosion, and heard no noise.
The ground crewman stated that he contacted the airport duty supervisor to determine if there had been any contact with the airplane. The supervisor responded that he was waiting for a call from the pilot after the takeoff, and the ground crewman reported that he thought it went into the ocean.
Another witness was a couple of miles away sitting on a seawall facing the airport. He reported that the engine was loud as the airplane was taking off. He reported that it was unusual that the airplane did not immediately gain altitude. He stated that a few seconds after takeoff, the airplane suddenly went nose down into the water.
The American Samoa Department of Public Safety located the pilot's body at 0040; it was strapped to a seat cushion. They reported burn marks on the body, and a strong odor of gasoline. They recovered a life raft, a survival suit and clothing, a fuselage piece, a duffel bag, and two gumby suits along with other debris.
A pilot who was very experienced in transoceanic flights had been in contact with the pilot's father for several months during the planning of the trip, as well as during the trip. On the day of departure, the father indicated that the airplane had 249 gallons of fuel on board, and anticipated a 2300 departure time so that he and his son could land in Hawaii during daylight hours. He had purchased two life vests for them to wear instead of the gumby suits. He indicated that they planned to take off with 10 degrees of flaps, accelerate in ground effect, start a slow climb to 200 feet, retract the landing gear, climb to 500 feet and retract the flaps, and then climb to 5,000 feet and level out. Once the power and fuel settings were established for cruise, they would initiate a shallow climb to 7,000 feet, maintain that for 2-3 hours, and then establish a shallow climb to 9,000 feet.
Source: ntsb.gov
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Tuesday, July 22, 2014 in Pago Pago, American Samoa (AS)
Aircraft: BEECH A36, registration: N20TC
Injuries: 2 Fatal.
This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed. NTSB investigators may not have traveled in support of this investigation and used data provided by various sources to prepare this aircraft accident report.
On July 22, 2014, about 2158 local standard time (0858 Universal Coordinated Time, July 23), a Beech BE A36, N20TC, crashed into the water after departure from Tafuna/Pago Pago International Airport (PPG), Pago Pago, American Samoa. The pilot was operating the airplane under the provisions of 14 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) Part 91. The private pilot and the pilot's private pilot rated father sustained fatal injuries. Only remnants of the airplane have been recovered. The cross-country personal flight was departing en route nonstop to Honolulu (PHNL), Hawaii. Visual meteorological conditions (VMC) prevailed, and a visual flight rules (VFR) flight plan had been filed.
One ground crewman and his wife met the pilot and his father at the airport to support the departure, and observed the pilot completing preflight checks. The ground crewman queried if they were going to depart, and the father replied yes noting that the weather was great. The ground crewman stated that the wind had been gusty and strong all day and evening. He observed the airplane taxi for departure, and repositioned himself so that he could observe the whole runway for the takeoff.
As the airplane moved down the runway, the ground crewman noted that the wind was very strong. The airplane became airborne, but it was moving up and down and side to side; it also was not gaining altitude. At this point, the airplane had passed the very high frequency omni-directional radio range, tactical air navigation (VORTAC), but was still very low. Before the airplane reached the end of the runway, it banked to the right towards the ocean. Over the next few seconds, the airplane kept getting lower, and then disappeared. He did not observe it contact the water; he only saw the lights getting lower and lower. He observed no explosion, and heard no noise.
The ground crewman stated that he contacted the airport duty supervisor to determine if there had been any contact with the airplane. The supervisor responded that he was waiting for a call from the pilot after the takeoff, and the ground crewman reported that he thought it went into the ocean.
Another witness was a couple of miles away sitting on a seawall facing the airport. He reported that the engine was loud as the airplane was taking off. He reported that it was unusual that the airplane did not immediately gain altitude. He stated that a few seconds after takeoff, the airplane suddenly went nose down into the water.
The American Samoa Department of Public Safety located the pilot's body at 0040; it was strapped to a seat cushion. They reported burn marks on the body, and a strong odor of gasoline. They recovered a life raft, a survival suit and clothing, a fuselage piece, a duffel bag, and two gumby suits along with other debris.
A pilot who was very experienced in transoceanic flights had been in contact with the pilot's father for several months during the planning of the trip, as well as during the trip. On the day of departure, the father indicated that the airplane had 249 gallons of fuel on board, and anticipated a 2300 departure time so that he and his son could land in Hawaii during daylight hours. He had purchased two life vests for them to wear instead of the gumby suits. He indicated that they planned to take off with 10 degrees of flaps, accelerate in ground effect, start a slow climb to 200 feet, retract the landing gear, climb to 500 feet and retract the flaps, and then climb to 5,000 feet and level out. Once the power and fuel settings were established for cruise, they would initiate a shallow climb to 7,000 feet, maintain that for 2-3 hours, and then establish a shallow climb to 9,000 feet.
Source: ntsb.gov
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According to what we pilots or ex-pilots studied in aviation law for the Pakistan CAA, and others, (me included) for the American FAA's ATP rating no single airplane is to operate beyond gliding distance to the land surface so that in event of an engine failure this can be accomplished (glide back). The airplane crashed in territorial waters of USA, so what law are we supposed to apply or is it different when such record attempts are in place?
§91.509 Survival equipment for overwater operations.
(a) No person may take off an airplane for a flight over water more than 50 nautical miles from the nearest shore unless that airplane is equipped with a life preserver or an approved flotation means for each occupant of the airplane.
I stand corrected.
§91.509 Survival equipment for overwater operations.
(a) No person may take off an airplane for a flight over water more than 50 nautical miles from the nearest shore unless that airplane is equipped with a life preserver or an approved flotation means for each occupant of the airplane.
I stand corrected.
H Khan wrote:smhusain_1 wrote:From what I have read in Dawn today, the total time of the father in light planes was around 1637 hours. Besides flying and navigating (GPS probably) there is the single engine aircraft to look after which brought them down. If they had succeeded, then of course the story would have been different but with no disrespect, it was too ambitious an adventure considering the experience of the father, Babar Suleman. It was nothing for the venture undertaken. Also Amelia Earhart stuck with the obsession of another record and carrying a professional navigator in a twin engine couldn't make it. These guys may have had the advantage of a handheld GPS.
A very prudent post!